Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988)

What happens when you take cartoon chaos and drop it into a gritty detective story that actually works? Who Framed Roger Rabbit might be one of the boldest movie swings of the last 40 years, blending slapstick cartoon madness with a noir mystery in a way that still feels surprisingly smart. We head to Maroon Studios and Cloverleaf Studios to break down why this 1988 classic still feels like a technical achievement, even in a world packed with CGI.

We talk about what makes the illusion so convincing, from the practical effects and real-world interactions to the tiny details like shadows, dust trails, and the way the camera treats animated characters like actual actors on a physical set. We also dive into the performances, especially Eddie Valiant’s dry frustration playing perfectly against Roger’s nonstop chaos. On top of that, we explore how Robert Zemeckis’s direction and Alan Silvestri’s score give the movie that classic old Hollywood feel while keeping the energy moving.

Beyond the filmmaking, we get into the movie’s cultural impact. Seeing Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny share the screen feels like a once in a lifetime moment, and we talk about why something like that feels almost impossible today. We also explore the darker side of the film, from Judge Doom and the nightmare fuel of the dip to Eddie’s alcoholism and the freeway conspiracy that feels way more relevant than you might expect. By the end, we’re asking a bigger question: if you didn’t grow up on Looney Tunes or classic Disney cartoons, does Who Framed Roger Rabbit still land the same in the streaming era?

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Transcript

Welcome And Movie Pick

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Welcome, loyal listeners, and we're back on the set here at Maroon Studios, Cloverleaf Studios, in partnership with Akamy to present to you Project Geekology, episode 160. Who framed Roger Rabbit?

SPEAKER_03 0:16

That was actually pretty good. Nice to see. I didn't hate that. I didn't hate that, Rich. Thank you for your time. Yes, that was the one and only Rich. One fourth of our host tonight. I am Dakota, another of the fourth, joined by Oh, usually Anthony goes next.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Uh hi, I'm Jen.

Life Updates And Watch Lists

SPEAKER_02 0:32

And also Anthony, and yes, you heard that correct. We are going to be covering Hoofray and Roger Rabbit. It is a classic from 1988. But before we do that, let us go over what we have been up to. Rich, why don't you start us off?

SPEAKER_04 0:52

Let's see. I just finished the Daredevil series yesterday, which I found to be very enjoyable. I uh I think it's fantastic, actually. So maybe one day down the road I uh it's probably like I'd say in terms of like DC shows, like my third favorite. So I I you know, I think hopefully we'll talk about that at some point. At work, I've started the uh dreadful task of being paid to be quiet. I'm not good at that. I'm one of the most disruptive proctors you've ever met. But uh somehow I'm in charge of a lot of proctoring, so the next couple days is a lot of me just kind of watching kids take tests, not a lot of fun. Uh then and the Mets are out of town, so it's kinda weird. I'm a little uh little listless. But next week Mets coming back and they play those uh those rascals from the Bronx, those Nair duels, the Yanks. We're gonna welcome them into our ballpark, so we're gonna see how that's gonna go down. I'm sure that'll be. I hope I don't I don't want to engage in any fisticuffs with any uh of those Rhapscallions.

SPEAKER_03 1:58

So I'm going to highly doubt it. The Mets have been doing very well this season.

SPEAKER_04 2:02

All right.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

One of the best teams that wasn't necessary.

SPEAKER_04 2:05

One of the best teams in all of baseball. But you know, at the end of the day, I think the Yankees honestly are doing amazingly, and I'm really excited to watch Iron Judge blow it in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:16

With his low LPS.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

Uh let's let's pull it back. Let's pull it back. I have a question for you, Rich. Uh you said that one of your top three DC shows of all time, Daredevil. Are you talking about the Netflix series, like the the three seasons in Netflix or the Daredevil Born Again stuff from Oh, like this season two.

SPEAKER_04 2:34

This Born Again season two. I got just that. It's uh it you know, like just real quick, like the first season felt like it wasn't sure what it wanted to do at first, if it wanted to kind of accept the Netflix history and the lore there. And this season seemed like it was like, no, we're cool, like we're taking everything, and that's what made it so good. I think they finally fully embraced that, and uh, it's really well done, really well shot.

SPEAKER_03 3:02

I they had the rest of the defenders in it, right?

SPEAKER_04 3:04

Yeah, you do um Jessica Jones is there, and then um as well as uh well, I don't want to ruin other other appearances for anybody. I'll leave it at that. But it's very good. I would uh I I think that I mean I thought the Daredevil, the first Daredevil show was great. I really liked those Netflix shows to begin with, that whole Defender series. I just like the grittiness of it. You know, it's you don't see a lot of that in the Marvel movies, so it's nice to kind of get an alternate version of the Marvel world.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

Cool. What have you been up to? What have you been up to?

SPEAKER_04 3:39

Jinx.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

Jinx?

SPEAKER_03 3:40

And what have you been up to?

SPEAKER_02 3:42

Well, you know, I've been playing that gotcha game, Neverness to Everness. Uh Dakota I scene that you had decided to hop on. You know, I'm interested. I I know that you just started, so you gotta kinda get into the game a little bit to to you know kind of see what it's about. But so yeah, I've been doing that. I sent you guys that I did get my press pass. The press pass is accepted for um Supercon, so I'm excited for that. You know, I go pretty much every year, and so you everybody can you know expect a mini sode. I I'd like to do a mini sode for that one. Last year I didn't do a mini sode, but I think it would be best for me to do like a mini sode on that.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

And you should get some interviews, bro.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:29

I would really like to now that you have the the press credentials, because it then now they're gonna start sending you opportunities, they're gonna start sending you like different panel exclusives, yeah, uh potentials for different interviews.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

For sure. Use that up, bro. For sure, you know, and then I have those I have the the little little lapel mics, and there's like things that you can actually set them in to make them look like regular microphones, too. So I plan on doing that. I well this week was uh May 4th. You know, we had uh Star Wars Day, and I know that that the Darth Maul show concluded this week. I think that now that it's concluded, we should actually cover that next.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

Oh, that would be wonderful.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

So yes, yeah, actually.

SPEAKER_03 5:16

We were gonna start watching it this past week, actually, but uh stuff came up. But yeah, uh we would love to jump into that.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

So so yeah, I've been wanting to hop onto that also, and you know, the I think this is uh not a project geekology first, but one it's definitely been a while since we actually decided what we were gonna cover like early into the episode.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Early into the episode.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

But yeah, that that's pretty much what I've been up to, just you know, Supercon and playing the new gotcha game. What have you all been up to, Dakota and Jen? Either working um talk. I know Dakota, like if he sounds a little raspy, his um he has a sore throat.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

Yeah, I was off work today. I was coughing up along last night. So um Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Well, one thing I watched was uh last night I was laying in bed and I watched Dakota turn and face me in his sleep and just cough right in my face.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

I didn't do it on purpose.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

And I like woke, like I woke up to like I could feel him like moving, and he just turned right towards me, dead asleep. It was just like 28 days.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

My my throat is not hurting me a lot right now, but it's it is a little raspy. I'm hoping I can go to work tomorrow. But um uh yeah, other than that, because I was home today, I had a little bit of free time, and I did play a little bit of the gotcha game that Anthony recommended, Neverness to Everness. And I can see it being pretty fun. I can see I can see it being a a good time. One thing Anthony mentioned was that he was surprised how well it optimized like information when you needed it. You know, it feels like it's a fully fleshed out game. I mean, I'm sure it is a fully fleshed out game, but what I'm saying, what I'm trying to say is it gives you enough information on screen at any given time and optimizes what it shows you so that it runs extremely smoothly. But like there's a huge map. There's a there's a huge uh amount of interact interactability with uh different characters and things on the map. And the actual gotcha process is is pretty fun in terms of like you you're put onto like almost like a it kind of feels like a a Mario.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Yeah, yeah, it's like a monopoly board slash like maybe Mario Party.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

Yeah, I was gonna say Mario Party. Like it feels like a monopoly board, Mario Party thing, where like you roll dice and whatever you land on is what you get. So you yeah, basically you collect dice throughout the game so that you can do these rolls and um get better players and upgrades and stuff like that. So that I'm enjoying that. And the actual story does seem pretty fun. So that is that's cool. And I don't know if we've done anything else, particularly in the world.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

We showed my brother's girlfriend The Empire Strikes Back for the first time. So we're she's never seen Star Wars, so we're taking her through Star Wars. That was a really fun experience. She's really enjoying it. She obviously really liked that one. That's a strong movie. Very strong. That's a strong one. Well, I mean, well, no, we watched A New Hope first. Yeah, and and now she's this is her second Star Hope movie.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Wait, does she know who and does she know about Vader? She does now.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

She does now. She said she was thinking it, but she wasn't sure.

SPEAKER_03 8:38

Okay, interesting.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

She said like leading out, she wasn't totally shocked, like she was kind of thinking.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

She has no idea who Leia's gonna get with at the end, but she's hoping for Luke. She's hoping for Luke.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Leah and Luke to get together.

SPEAKER_03 8:52

But she's Brazilian, so she calls him Lucas.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Yeah, she's like, I really hope she goes for Lucas. It's really funny. Because when I watched it, I couldn't imagine anybody not wanting Leah and Han to be together. Like I felt like their chemistry was so good, and to like I thought that was the very obvious choice. So seeing her go for Lucas is really weird to me.

SPEAKER_04 9:15

When did you watch it first?

SPEAKER_01 9:17

I watched it first, I don't know, how long ago was that?

SPEAKER_03 9:21

I don't know, 13, 14 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:23

Oh, so you're an adult.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Yeah, I was like, I remember.

SPEAKER_04 9:26

Oh, well, I was like a little kid, so like I wanted like the super good guy to get the girl.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

That's how she feels. She's like, but he's like the main character, he's like the good guy. We know he's the main hero, so he should be the one to get the girl. But I disagree. I mean, that's like watching Harry Potter and being like, Hermione should be with Harry. That's kind of that's kind of wild. A bit wild for that, if you think that.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

I mean, if you're just solely watching the Harry Potter movies, Harry and Hermione have a lot more chemistry than Ron and Hermione, but in the books it's kind of the opposite. Yeah, that's true, that's true.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

So which uh which a lot of people I would say like a a huge group of people only saw the movies.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

Yeah, like Noah.

SPEAKER_04 10:08

Yeah, I wonder how the new show's casting is gonna impact that relationship. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Yeah, I don't know. We'll see how that goes. I don't know. Those little cute kids. Um, what else? I watched the other on Saturday I stayed home on the couch the entire day. I watched Shrek 2 Masterpiece. Masterpiece. No notes. Fantastic film, 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

I was uh I was working that day, so I I missed out on that, but I did catch you watched a whole series of another show after that.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

As well as I wasn't thinking to bring that one up.

SPEAKER_03 10:41

As well as most of most of a season of another show. She was literally on the couch all day. So what was the first show called?

SPEAKER_01 10:47

It was called Normal People.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

Oh, it's normal people, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

It was really depressing, and nobody's normal. They weren't normal.

SPEAKER_03 10:54

It was it was plot twist. It wasn't like science fiction or anything, it was just, you know, slice of life type stuff, but really depressing. Yeah, and then and then what else? You watch the second season, most of the second season of Only Murders in the Building. Yes. Which I actually really enjoy that show.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

It's a pretty fun one, but a lot of uh media consumption this weekend.

SPEAKER_03 11:15

A lot of media consumption.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Every once in a while you need, you know, like a day or a period where you just kind of you know, just be a couch potato.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

I always a potato.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

Enjoy those.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

I'm starting to resemble one too, so pregnancy life. I also think like getting pregnant, I'm just exhausted, and so I work the whole week. And I see these girls on Instagram that they're like pregnant and they're like going to the gym and they're you know super active, and I don't understand that because on Saturday I felt like I got hit by a truck. I was immobile, I was like, okay, I'm gonna clean the house in a little bit, and I just didn't move.

SPEAKER_04 11:54

We time her to see how long it takes her to get from the second floor to the third floor at work. Like, all right, hit the timer, let's see how long it takes her to get up here.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

I think today was to be an athlete and make it some varsity athlete.

SPEAKER_04 12:04

It took you, I think, four minutes and ten seconds to get from room two sixty-three to room three sixty-four.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Wait, have you been timing me?

SPEAKER_04 12:11

Yes, I timed you today for sport.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

And every time I approach a flight of stairs, I just take a breath and I'm like, Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

He said he brought out his uh his coach's watch and just like timed you with it.

SPEAKER_04 12:26

A man just did an marathon in two in under two hours and four minutes.

First Full Watch Reactions

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Alright, let's let's just get into the podcast, shall we? Let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 12:36

Um framed Roger over. I know that that you're not feeling too well, Dakota, but you said that this was your like your first like actual like watch through, or did you watch through it before?

SPEAKER_03 12:47

I I've definitely seen bits and pieces of this, but I think this was the first time I've sat to watch it through. I'm pretty sure it's the first time I've sat to watch it through.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

What were your thoughts on Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

It's always been kind of a movie that I knew I would like. You know, it's always kind of been in that sphere of films that I haven't seen, but I've appreciated what they were because I knew what this was. You know, I I I I knew that this was a precursor to a number, like a whole genre. I mean not a whole genre, but like the genre of, you know, Space Jam and all that. You know, like this is what set that in motion. Um and it's not the first time that 2D animation has ever been incorporated into live action or live action into 2D animation, but I appreciated the world building and the idea that these tunes live in parallel with the human world. And it's it's like two realities crashing together. And what I was appreciating a lot was how they use uh slapstick humor and Looney Tunes physics in the real world. You know, I I kind of liked how they blended all that, and it was very creative. I I I I really liked how we we started from uh cartoon short and something went wrong on on set and they had to like stop the production, and that's when you see the real people behind the cartoons or whatever. And we were introduced to Roger Abbott and all then. So I I I liked it. I really I thought it was a really fun movie. Actually, I thought that the cartoon short at the beginning was just that. I thought it was gonna be like a you know, like in in certain movies, you especially like older movies, you would get a cartoon before you would see the movie. And they don't really do that anymore, so I I thought, oh, this is a fun little nod to back in the 40s and 50s when they would put a little cartoon before a movie. And they kind of incorporated that into the plot, which I thought was really, really creative.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

Yeah, I liked that this movie they had cartoons as like you know these actors, right? Like they were obviously they were created, but like they weren't drawn, it's not like a storyboard and and um you know a bunch of of um like animation cells. It's like them in like a physical realm interacting with a set, how you would um rook you know, film a live action show. So I I I love that that this movie has that.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

I also love the main character Eddie Valiant, not necessarily the character himself, but the way that the actor uh was able to interact with the tunes around him. A lot of times you could tell it was very practical. You could tell that there was actually someone that they had played Jessica Rabbit in person, you know, like so that he can interact with certain characters, or a lot of the the the stuff was practical and not CGI. Uh some of it was CGI, but a lot of it was practical in terms of like, you know, he would grab something from a tune or give something to a tune, and they would just paint over the film cells, they would paint over the uh the film so that they could put these uh cartoons on it. I thought that was really, really creative. And some of the shots in it, I was like really impressed with how well they were able to do all that. Like uh the scene where they're uh driving through like over an LA bridge on Benny, the car. You could tell he was actually in like a go-kart or something and filming that scene, but they just painted on top of it and and you know, put a cartoon car over the go-kart or whatever he was in. I little stuff like that really brought the movie to life to me. I I thought it was really, really well done.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Well, it's even more impressive because like you know, it's easy to do something like that nowadays, but like back then, you know, they didn't have what we have now. So I I think it's easier to appreciate when you see something that came out in a time when CGI wasn't rampant like how it is now.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

One scene that I really liked was when Roger Rabbit goes to get into um what's his name? Ed? Ed Valiant?

SPEAKER_05 17:07

Eddie.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Eddie goes to get into his like brother's chair, and he just he puts his hand over the back of the chair, and then when he moves his hand, there's like a dust fingerprint. The attention to detail to make this as like I don't know what the word is that I'm looking for, like harmonious as possible, like the link between the tunes and reality was really interesting, or another one that I thought was funny because I I feel like in Toontown, like physics aren't the same. So like the tunes aren't used to it. So like when the hippo from Fantasia goes and sits next to the guy on the bench and the bench just like breaks, and she's just like whoops, like it's in Toontown that wouldn't happen, like she doesn't understand physics. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

So another little attention to detail that I was like noticing is the shadows for the tunes on the wall. That I thought that that was really cool. Like it they they really did like take their time. Oh, and we didn't even uh mention that this film is directed by Robert Zemekis, director to the Back to the Future.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Oh I didn't know that. And okay, I can kind of see that.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

And he used the same composer for uh from Back to the Future in this movie. And if you pay attention to the music, it's very, very similar to Back to the Future. Like, you know how John Williams has a sound? So does this composer. I think it's like Alan Silvestri or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Oh, Alan Silvestri, okay.

Nostalgia And The Disney Looney Crossover

SPEAKER_03 18:37

Alan Silvestri, yeah. He also did the music for the Avengers more recently. But yeah, great composer. Rich, you've been awfully quiet. Why did you hate this movie so much?

SPEAKER_04 18:48

I absolutely treasure this movie. Uh, this was the first movie that I ever had to go on the train and like go to another. I can't my my short memory will tell you that I went to Manhattan, but it could have just been another part of Queens, but I had to, we you know, it wasn't playing in our local area theater. And we had a pretty big theater, to be honest, so it was kind of a surprise, but it wasn't playing near us. So we actually had to take a trip to go see it. Uh let's see, I had the bathroom, I had the beach towel that I I forced my family to use as my everyday towel. Uh so my grandmother was very upset because she had like a set and then just like who framed Roger Rabbit bright yellow with Benny on it and Roger, and I um I grew up, you know, watching a lot of Looney Tunes. My grandmother would tape it for me. So when I went over to my dad's house, I would wa uh she just had like just oodles of tapes. So I love the Looney Tunes guys. I you know love a the dis the older Disney cartoon guys, so this was the coolest thing in the world for me when I was what'd you say it came out in 86?

SPEAKER_03 20:00

88.

SPEAKER_04 20:01

88, so in 88 I'm six. So I'm six years old. This is the coolest thing in the world, man. Like there's Looney Tunes guys, there's Disney guys. You know, I didn't know anything about companies and crossovers, right? But I know I hadn't seen them before together. Right? And now, like like behind you guys, uh Dakota and Jen's background is when Eddie's falling through the air with Bugs and with uh Mickey. That was like, what? Both of them in the same shot? You know, I I it was really cool. And I thought the animation style and the things they did and the all the effects were just unbelievable. Uh when you said, yeah, you know, they were going over the bridge and it looked really looked like Benny was driving it, for half a second I was like, he was? What do you mean? Like like because like that movie was just uh I've seen it so many times since I was a kid. Not as much as Major League. Not as much as Major League, but this is it was really fun to re-watch it. This is probably like my if I said like 30 times, I don't think I'm exaggerating, because you know, when I was a little kid, I got it on tape and then I'd watch it all the time. I love Eddie Valiant, I love the noir feel to it. I've always liked that kind of aesthetic, you know, like I love that LA Noir game and stuff like that. So I'm not even sure if my love of that time period might actually come from this movie. I just like kind of wanted to explore out that because it it also reminds me a lot of Dick Tracy as well, in not obviously not in the themes, whatever, but I I think it's very much like the time period was captured.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Yeah. Actually, that you know, you mentioned the shot of um Eddie falling, and uh Bugs and Mickey are on are on either side of him, talking about giving him a spare parachute or whatever, and they end up giving him a spare tire. That is the only shot in all of history that. That has a legal time where Mickey and Bugs have been on screen at the same time. That is the only shot in history that has that. So it that it's cool. I mean, that probably the I would say probably easily the two biggest cartoon characters of all time. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Being on the same frame is Yeah, even even adult me, I got like super irritic. We were just watching it and I got so excited. Yeah. It's like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Um I was actually looking into it a little bit. So if you want to be technical, so this movie was a touchstone and amblin, like collaboration, and it was through it was through um Steven Spielberg that they were able to get the Looney Tunes character. So like technically, if you want to like be technical, this is like a Disney movie. But it to me it feels a lot more so like a Looney Tunes movie. Yeah. Um but so I think it was like five thousand dollars like per Looney Tunes character, and then there was also that Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny and Daffy and Donald had to share the same amount of screen time. So that's why they were paired off. But they it worked. It worked, they got really creative.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

No, no, you're good.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

I really liked how they really showcased the different kind of personalities of the separate companies, or like, you know, in Looney Tunes, just everything is super like goofy and it's always kind of a gotcha moment. Whereas Mickey genuinely kind of wanted to help. He's like, Alright, alright, Bugs, you better give it to him or he's gonna die. Like, I forget what he says. But you can see Mickey is actually concerned about this, and Bugs is like, Alright, I'll give him the spare. Like, if you if because I did, I also grew up watching both Disney and Looney Tunes. My dad was a pretty big Looney Tunes fan, and that was like on pretty regular rotation at our house. So I feel like I understand both characters pretty well, and that's exactly how they would act. You know, they didn't they didn't kind of dilute them a bit to just make I don't know, to make a more cohesive story or whatever. I also loved that they kept like the continuity of that like running gag where all of the supplies have the Acme Company label on them.

SPEAKER_03 24:24

Yeah, like they did in the cartoons.

How Streaming Changed Cartoon Culture

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Yeah, like I think of like uh Acme Dynamite and Yeah, or like you know, any um Anvil would just say Acme, like any like mass-produced product in Looney Tunes just says Acme on it. Just because it's like you know when you see the Acme name that this is a product that something really stupid is about to happen. And so all throughout the movie, out because that was something I was paying attention to, like so many just boxes, uh tools, anything just said Acme outside. Because it was like it's all up for grabs, any kind of shenanigans can happen here.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Yeah, that was clever. Watching it, I did have kind of like a moment of realization that it's gonna be difficult for future generations to appreciate the movie as much because they didn't grow up on Looney Tunes. And we we all lived in a in a time where Looney Tunes were regular cartoons that played on TV. And I don't think they do that. I'm sure there are Looney Tunes channels, but kids in 2026 mostly don't even have cable anymore, you know? Like, so you'd have to actually you'd have to actively look for that content. So I started like thinking, like, will I be showing my kids Looney Tunes? Like, will I have the active forethought to get them into Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck and Yosemite Sam and all them? And I kind of hope I do, just because those are such great characters. And I I kinda hate that they're not as popular nowadays as they they were back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

You know, where are they I think it's just due to lack of streaming, right? Like, where are they streaming?

SPEAKER_03 26:03

I mean, I'm sure they're they're I think they're streaming on Max. Tubi. On Tubi?

SPEAKER_00 26:07

See like that's yeah, not a lot of people have that.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

Everything got moved from Max.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Oh well.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

It's on Tubi now.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Because I know my dad really loves Looney Tunes and he's upset at the lack of accessibility. He's brought this up to me a few times.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

So it's interesting that that that you bring this up. The way that we consume media is definitely a lot different now. A lot of stuff that we watched growing up was because like we kind of had to watch it. Like that was what was available. We didn't have on demand. The closest thing that you got to on demand back then was popping in a VHS or a DVD, or um, if you wanted to watch something from TV, you would tape it on a VHS, or you know, eventually when you whenever you got to um TiVo, which a lot of people didn't have right away because that was for rich people. And so, yeah, like the way that we consume TV now is like you get to choose what you watch. Back then, what was on was what was on. So you either like flipped to something else or you sucked it up and you watched it. And sometimes, you know, when you were like, I'm not too sure about this, you would sit down and you would watch it, and you'd be like, you know what, this is actually kind of a banger, you know? Like that that's how that's kind of like how I I had stumbled onto Avatar. Like I had seen like maybe some advertisement, but it wasn't until like I like kind of sat down and I was like, Oh, let me check this out and watch it. I was like, oh wow, this is really good. You know, that that's uh there there's definitely like a big conversation around that, like, you know, how we consume media and how the tween audience doesn't really have like that media anymore. You know, that that those um a lot of the shows that some people grew up with, like the you know, the Camp Rocks or you know, Drake and Josh, iCarly, the Amanda Show, um Rugrats, all that kind of stuff. You know, that that stuff just doesn't really exist nowadays.

SPEAKER_03 28:07

Speaking of uh those tween shows that you just brought up, my my little uh my my cousin's child, he's I think two now. One of I think his favorite show is Sam and Cat from Nickelodeon. So I but I think that's the mom that just like watched that on repeat and that became something that the kid really enjoyed.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

So it's But it is weird, like he doesn't like cartoons.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

Right, he doesn't he's not a cartoon kid, which is bizarre, but whatever.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

I would be really disappointed if my kid didn't like cartoons. I gotta I've gotta inculcate that in him at a young age. There were some deep cut characters that I never would have noticed as a kid, but now as an adult, I like looked at them and was like, oh my god, that's this character. One of them was there were like three hummingbirds, and it was very clearly flit from Pocahontas. But I don't when did Pocahontas come out? I think that was after. Yeah, that I think Pocahontas, I want to say it came out in '93.

SPEAKER_04 29:06

Like ninety three, ninety four, yeah, it was after that. 95.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Because I know my parents took my brother to go and see that. They took my brother to go see Pocahontas when it first released in Central Park, and we still have like the umbrella, like they had like a bunch of merch, like they had like blankets and umbrellas and stuff that you could buy. Um, so like I I knew that it was later than the 80s because my brother was born in 91. And so apparently that like little hummingbird design was in Song of the South from 1946, and then again it was here in who framed Roger Rabbit, and then they decided to keep the character design for Pocahontas, which I thought was really cool. So for me as a kid, I don't know if I would have ever noticed, oh, that's the little hummingbird from Pocahontas. I might have seen this movie first, you know what I mean? But I don't know, I think that's kind of interesting and cool. And then the other characters that I got really hyped to see, which I don't know why, because this wasn't like a nostalgic thing for me, but I as an adult started watching some of the Disney silly symphonies, and they had the two trees from Flowers and Trees, and I got really excited about that. Just like all of those little characters in the background came from somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

Wait, how do we know if it's music?

Judge Doom And A Tight Mystery

SPEAKER_02 30:18

So, what did we think about Christopher Lloyd's Judge Doom?

SPEAKER_03 30:22

I I do like that they brought Christopher Lloyd into it, and you gotta thank Robert Zemeckis for that, just because he was obviously a huge character in the Back to the Future films. So I th I thought that that was a fun reintroduction to that character or that actor. Rich?

SPEAKER_04 30:40

I just think everything is done so well in the movie. Like I j I like when like kids' movies or like little like I'll call like throwaway movies have really tight plots, right? So like I knew that he was, you know, the tune from the beginning, because I'd seen it so many times, so I I kind of just watched closely. And they're very he's very careful from the very beginning with the acid, you know, like he or the drip. You know, he's he's got the rubber gloves and he's got the boots and he backs away when it spills in the bar. And just uh you know, in terms of like the plot tightness, the uh the disappearing ink, you know, and how it suddenly appears on Eddie's shirt after. I just love and like even the fact that Doom is uh is also the um you know the killer uh he killed Eddie's brother, right? Like it's so tightly wound. I just think it's great. Like I I just love that. And I uh I don't know if anyone but Christopher Lloyd could have done it justice. Like, who else can go from like very brooding, sinister, evil man to hysterics, you know, like this that hysterical character. Oof. It's so good. Like, I mean it's one of the many reasons why I love Christopher Lloyd is this movie is and I and I think Dennis Haskins, my man Mario from uh the Super Mario Brothers movie Mario Mario He really does seem like a dude who doesn't want to deal with this stuff, you know, like it it just comes natural to him. It's just so well done. I uh I think the casting was great. Uh and I thought the all the actor all the live actors did an amazing job. Well, I'm glad they're not dead. All the human actors did an amazing job of really feeling like they were they had feelings about the tunes or that they were like mistrusting of them. They were scared of their unpredictability, you know, like kind of what Jen was saying earlier about them, like the just the real world, like in the I don't know. It's just uh it's the beesnies for me. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

Yeah, this is a movie that I've actually seen like a lot over the years. I had seen it like a good, you know, a good bit of times when I was younger throughout the years, even as a teen. I don't remember the last time I had seen it, could have been like maybe a couple years ago, but this is definitely like a movie that I love to to revisit. It really is cool when you get that we do have this combination of Looney Tunes and Disney characters. I still, you know, like Jen said that that you know you got excited, it's still something to be excited for because it's something that we haven't gotten since we haven't gotten a mix of Disney and Looney Tunes characters like this since.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

And I feel like now it just wouldn't happen. I feel like these companies are just so difficult since they're always like so calculating, and I don't know, they would want like different companies would want control over the project and all of that, and I don't know, I just can't picture something like this happening today.

SPEAKER_03 33:53

But, you know, you say that, but at the same time you have someone like Spielberg behind the scenes. That's why Ready Player One worked. Yeah, that's that's why that got off the ground, is because Steven Spielberg was behind it. He had the pool to reach out to all these different companies for little cameos, for little nothings. But um I I like the kind of uh strict adherence to just Looney Tunes and Disney for this. And I'm sure there's other little things.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

Well, they had Betty Boo, she's from Flexure.

SPEAKER_03 34:25

Okay, yeah, so they have some Fleischer.

SPEAKER_01 34:27

I was kind of hoping for more Flexure cartoon characters, but I didn't Superman in Main of Action. No, I was looking for um what's the little like ghost dude?

SPEAKER_00 34:38

Mookie Mini the Mook. You don't know who I'm talking about? Ghostburn? No. I have to look him up.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

And something that that I didn't realize until I I looked into it is that this movie is is adapted off of a book called Who Censored Roger Robin? And like there's some Yeah, there there's some changes, like some like pretty big changes like between the two. I'm not entirely sure what the changes are. Um that's just like something that that I had like I had been reading, like I read into it that that there were some changes, but I was like, oh wow, like I didn't realize that this was actually coming off of like a book, uh adaptation.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

I was thinking before of Minnie the Moocher. Minnie the Moocher was like a it was like a Betty Boop and her little boyfriend Bimbo. And then I'm thinking the character that I was thinking of was Cab Callaway, he's like this little like like little ghost dude that has his orchestra. Oh, I've seen that and he does his little dance where he picks up his I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

Like I kept like looking for I could have missed him potentially, but I was like, where is he? Show me Bimbo. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 35:49

I did like Dumbo in the beginning. Yeah. And how they work for peanuts.

SPEAKER_04 35:54

I loved how uh when when Doom has has Roger in the bar and he's about to kill him in the drip, and uh, you know, and he thinks of he thinks back to the the alcohol that he drank in the office, in Maroon's office, so he you know, he's like, you know, yeah, you want it. He's like, I don't want it. He's like, Yeah, I you know, you want it. I don't want it. And then he finally goes, You want it. He's like, he's like you, he's like, you don't want it. He's like, I want it, and then he gets like angry and grabs it. Like I I it's just sometimes it's just the little moments like that uh for me that just made it so great. Because Eddie, as a non, he's not only does he like you know, obviously dislike them and we find out why, but you know, he seems like really annoyed by them all the time, but then like interacts so well with Roger that it it's just really fun to watch because he's the least cartoony human, but he's the best at doing it. And when he does those uh that whole flip sequence, that was kind of amazing.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

He does he's really good at so like he got to know tunes because like him and his brother were like known as like they were like detectives like for tunes, not specifically for tunes, but they worked with tunes a lot. That's why you saw like those newspaper strips where they cracked a case for for Goofy and like some other tunes, and like his disdain happened was because a tune killed his brother. And so like that's why you know he f he fell into uh liquor and disdain.

Freeways Power And Class Subtext

SPEAKER_01 37:30

I loved like some of these adult themes that that we were able to kind of glean from the story that's overly silly, like his battle with alcoholism and when he decides to like kind of start healing himself and pour out the booze. You know, Mario would never put that in a kid's movie. They would never have Mario addicted to mushrooms and then he quits the shrooms, like they don't have him go on any acid trips, like they I think back then kids' movies had courage and they put in real adult themes. I also I don't know if this is a stretch, so you guys can mock me if you think that I'm stretching with this, but I think of this also as kind of talking about class issues, where it's like these big corporations just kept trying to be more and more greedy and buy up all of the land so that they can take advantage of the lower classes and have them, you know, spend money on things like gas and cars to go on this big freeway. Whereas like initially Eddie was a lawyer for the tunes who work for peanuts. So they're like they're like there's like a clear class divide, and toons aren't taken as seriously in society or treated with equality. And so Eddie was a lawyer advocating for their rights, but then when a Toon killed his brother, he gave it up and he had like disdain.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

Well, he wasn't a lawyer, he was uh Or not a lawyer, but like a detective.

SPEAKER_04 38:50

I mean, a lot of Robert Moses slander here, right? Like Doom seems like Robert Moses, he wants to build a highway through this town and ruin everything, you know.

SPEAKER_01 39:01

Don't get me started on Robert Moses.

SPEAKER_04 39:03

Sorry, Anthony. If uh Robert Moses is a big name up here in New York because he designed the highway system essentially, and he uh in some areas basically just like said, uh, you know what, I don't care about anyone who lives there. We're just gonna put a highway.

SPEAKER_01 39:17

That was my family's house in the Bronx. They put up the Throg's Neck Expressway. They literally changed, we had pictures of our yard before and after the highway. Our entire yard was sunken in after that. Like it completely changed the structure of the yard because of that. And Robert Moses also changed the name of my town. Uh Throg's Neck is where I'm from. He it was spelled with two G's. And he dropped a G so that he could save money on signage. So, like, Throg's Neck is now spelled with one G, but growing up we all spelled it with two G's, and it was because the people who lived there were like still kind of boycotting.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

I thought it was a Mandela effect thing.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

No, it was Rob.

SPEAKER_04 39:59

Because I thought I had seen it because I worked in a title research company, and I used to have to file like people's property taxes and stuff, and I would remember seeing the two G's, and then at some point I just stopped seeing both G's.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

In my house, Robert Moses is a hero. End of story. And and a beach. Robert Moses is a beach. Um, and probably the most visited beach that I've been to in the New York area. So, end of story. He built that beach himself. I think actually we took you to Robert Moses when you were up here.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Is it is that the beach they you guys took me to? That one was freezing. I was like, I'm used to I'm used to the South Florida bath water that we have down here, you know?

SPEAKER_04 40:46

And it was December, right? And my you know, my brain's ready for it to be freezing. And I was like, what is this? I'm like, you people are so spoiled. Like it was warmer in December than it ever is during the summer in New York.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

Yeah, you always gotta get like a running start in New York.

SPEAKER_04 41:01

So you I don't know, it's like sometimes it's like jumping into the drip when you're up here in New York, you know? Oh yeah. It's kind of acidic a little bit, like it's got I don't know, like juices flowing in the water. Kind of hurts.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

Yeah, from all those Gilgo Beach murders. Wow, dark turns, sorry.

The Five Star Juicy Review Plug

SPEAKER_03 41:18

Really quick. Um, let's go back to the juiciness that is uh whatever's in the the those like drip containers. A lot of drip at the end of the day. A lot of juice. Was it dip? No, dip dip. Dip. Oh, you're right. Yeah, it's called dip. But anyway, it got me wondering why you, the listener, have yet to give us a five-star juicy review. And I felt the need to bring it up because there was a lot of juiciness, so it was a lot of dip. Um green oozing dip. Uh, and we need your review to be green and oozing with goodness, you know, like it's a five-star juicy review, guys. We that's what we need uh to sustain us, basically. It doesn't erase us like it would the tunes, it sustains us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:10

And by chance, with uh at that bar where where the dip was being unleashed and uh used as a weapon against Roger, the patrons were drinking the official, unofficial beer of the podcast, Voodoo Ranger, juicy.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

They really weren't. Are you talking about the non-existent beer that isn't it would be non-existent back then beers and then also it definitely wasn't. Uh definitely wasn't.

SPEAKER_04 42:43

But he smashed it because it wasn't a voodoo ranger. If it was a voodoo ranger, he would have drank it down because it's so smooth and delicious. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 42:52

Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

One of these days we're gonna get like a seasoned assist. And I'm gonna be really annoyed with you, Rangie.

SPEAKER_03 42:58

What's good about getting a cease and desist is it means someone's listening.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

I would be really excited if like oh guys do the baby.

SPEAKER_02 43:10

The government's on us. That that's though that's those days that we get those like podcast spikes. Somebody's listening to someone. But yeah, but was it kind of kind of the piggyback on on the you know the the five stars and how it sustains us, you know, we also need it so that we can create that freeway. Freeway the freeway. The freeway would have led to the top of the charts.

SPEAKER_04 43:36

Like, do you think that the freeway being built there would have meant that like Lightning McQueen was like over there, like that town, the uh the pit stop?

SPEAKER_03 43:43

I think the freeway just led to Pasadena.

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Yeah, that's what he said it went to Pasadena, right?

SPEAKER_03 43:48

Yeah. Uh no, I'm joking. I'm messing with you, Rich. I obviously I I understand that you're joking. I was being very flippant with my I was serious. I was like I was just referencing cars.

SPEAKER_01 43:58

I was just remembering, I'm like, oh yeah. They did say Pasadena. Because it just reminds me of that SNL skit, like take the what I don't know, the highways over there, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:07

You guys don't know what I'm talking about.

Dates Easter Eggs And Doom Reveal

SPEAKER_03 44:09

What they were looking like talking about the 210 freeway in LA. And how it the joke is that it would stop congestion and traffic, basically, because it would be eight lanes, blah blah blah. But in reality, it's it's a it's always backed up, the 210. So the it wouldn't it wouldn't have solved anything. It actually would have just been terrible to continue. Anyway. Oh, but you know what? You you Rich, was it Rich or was it Anthony? One of you mentioned, I think it was Anthony, you mentioned that there were newspaper clippings in this. And I have to say that I was very pleased because there were actual dates that I could, you know, use in my Long Little Timeline project. Four dates overall, like the three days that the movie elapses, as well as the one one date with uh the Valiant Brothers saving Huey Dewey and Louie, Donald's nephews, in a in a newspaper clipping. So I really appreciated that. Uh because in the I think like the past four or five weeks we've covered movies and stuff. They've had no dates. Like ever since we watched her and Lost in Translation, there's been no dates whatsoever in anything. I was even hoping just for like signage in the background of like the Mario movie, like when they were in like the Brooklyn Pizzeria or whatever. No, nothing. But there are dates in this one, so I'm happy about that.

SPEAKER_04 45:35

Some but you know the thing is, some things are timeless, Dakota. Timeless in what way? W without time.

SPEAKER_02 45:41

Like literally.

SPEAKER_04 45:42

Sometimes, like they're even men uh out of time.

SPEAKER_03 45:47

I feel like we're running out of time on this podcast. Guys, is there anything else you want to cover or talk about with uh who framed Roger Rabbit?

SPEAKER_02 45:54

Uh I did how did did you like the uh the the final confrontation between Eddie and and Doom and like how like it it it was it made sense like how cartoony that fight was.

SPEAKER_03 46:08

No, I I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04 46:10

Um I was so surprised. I was like the glue bit is so much fun, Dakota. Why didn't you like that?

SPEAKER_03 46:18

What I will say is it did leave us with a little bit of mystery because we find out that Judge Doom was a tune all along, and you know, he he abides by tune physics, can't be just like killed by a rolling truck. But we don't find out who the tune is, and I wonder if it's possible to figure that out. Like I wonder if there's any way that we can match the eyes to any like other like cartoon character, or if there's like maybe a sequel or something that they talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

But oh I I misunderstood that then. Because I was under the impression that he was like half tune, half man.

SPEAKER_03 46:58

No, he was in a rubber suit.

SPEAKER_01 47:00

It was just a rubber suit?

SPEAKER_03 47:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:02

Oh, I was thinking that somebody like hooked up with somebody looked like Jessica Rabbit. Or Jessica Huh? I thought he was like of mixed descent.

SPEAKER_02 47:11

But it's like a mestizo? That that's why you only saw that like skin left of the room.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

I thought that was like a joke like to cover the fact that that was like a corpse.

SPEAKER_03 47:19

Yeah, because at the end we have all the tunes going like, well, he's not a wooden doll. He's not a tune. Oh, that's true. And they were they were questioning who he was. I misunderstood that. I thought it would have actually been better. This is here's what I thought was going to happen. Remember in the beginning of the movie when they gave Roger the alcohol and his eyes turned red and crazy and like he was going nuts? I thought we were gonna find out that he was the one who dropped the piano on Eddie's brother.

SPEAKER_04 47:51

No way.

SPEAKER_03 47:52

You thought that was gonna be What? Think about it. It would have been such a great turning point where like Eddie had to confront uh like potential a potential addict.

SPEAKER_04 48:04

The the pure n like I you accusing Roger Rabbit of being anything but pure of heart is like he literally thought his girlfriend cheated on him and he wrote her a love letter to try and get her back. Like he's actually playing patty cake with another man. Like that's taboo. If I came home and my wife was playing patty cake with another man, they'd be hell.

SPEAKER_03 48:30

I really love that. I by the way, I really love that because like you don't know what they're doing in there. He's just snapping away pictures, and then they actually have just pictures of patty cake.

SPEAKER_00 48:41

Yeah, that was fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 48:42

So you're right, Dakota. There was a a comic that came out that revealed like who Judge Doom was. Uh Baron Von Rotten. I don't think it's like it's Ben Rotten's. Like this isn't a character that that like we would have known. Like that that was like popular.

SPEAKER_03 49:00

Oh. Oh. Yeah, no, I think it's it's a character created specifically for for this. That's crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:08

Oh, look at that.

SPEAKER_03 49:09

Well, there you have it.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

So that's what he looked like.

SPEAKER_03 49:12

I was hoping it was gonna be Roger.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

That's really sick.

SPEAKER_03 49:15

Not that Roger actively did it. Not that not that Roger actively was the one to, you know, kill someone, but in in a fit of drunken hilarity, like laugh and go crazy and drop a piano on someone's brother. That's what I thought happened, and I thought that was gonna be addressed at some point, where, you know, the in the third act of uh the beginning of the third act, or sorry, I should say the end of a second act of a movie, you usually have the two protagonists come to blows. You you have that moment where they have to come to grips with some revelation, and I thought that's what that was gonna be. I was mistaken. It turned out that revelation was Jessica Rabbit kidnapping Roger Rabbit and then taking them into the third act, which was the final battle. But anyway.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

Wait, can we talk about Jessica Rabbit?

SPEAKER_03 50:04

No.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

I want to.

SPEAKER_03 50:05

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 50:06

She's so cool. I wanted to be her when I was a kid. I was like, between her and Cameron Diaz from The Mask, I was like, so that's what adulthood is gonna be like, right? Like, I just assumed. Never happened, never quite made that uh metamorphosis. Like, I never quite quite changed into that. A little disappointing.

SPEAKER_03 50:26

There's still time.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

Yeah. Maybe after this baby, I'll just turn into Jessica Rabbit.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

Dondo's movies misrepresenting uh adulthood. Actually, now that I think back on it, I do remember a little bit of like the huge change between the book and the movie. I think Roger Rabbit's actually dead in the book, and that Eddie is investigating his murder. So of the book. No, no, no. Like from what I read, like what the book the like I saw that there was a book that the movie was adapted from, and I saw a little bit of like what it was about, and I I forgot like I was like, oh wait a sec. I do like I do know a little bit like of what the changes were.

Final Thoughts And Who It Fits

SPEAKER_03 51:10

Um alright. Final thoughts on who framed Roger Rabbit. Anthony, I'm gonna shoot it right back to you.

SPEAKER_02 51:18

Alrighty, let me um holster my guns like Yosemite Sam and just say that this movie, like I I love it. I loved it as a kid, and I still love it as an adult. Like when I was watching through it, like I knew everything that was gonna happen, but like I was still like engaged. I was like, man, I love this movie. Yeah, it's uh there's nothing but but praise for this movie. It was amazing, you know, especially for its time. Something that we didn't even talk about. Also, I loved the sets, I loved the props, I thought that like all of that was amazing.

SPEAKER_03 51:58

You know, Rich was talking a little bit about the Detective Noir like 40s vibe that it had, and Eddie definitely fit that vibe, as well as Jessica Rabbit, you know, like several characters fit the the genre of mystery and detective mystery a lot. But I I love the character of old Hollywood, it's the same kind of old Hollywood vibe that you would get for you know like at the beginning of like the Tower of Terror ride, you know, like you you kind of have that uh it just has a certain vibe, and I really appreciate it. It's a world that we can no longer visit, but it's just kind of exciting to visit because of like all the opportunities and like the st all the things that were happening at the time and in this world there was a lot of like cartoons being made, and I thought that that was pretty fun.

SPEAKER_04 52:45

I would say if you ever wanna if you ever wanted to hitch a ride in the back of a trolley car and have some kids give you a cigarette, but you just can't find a trolley car or kids who have cigarettes. Watch this movie. Just the like the little things, the the as Dakota was just saying, Hollywood's a character. Uh there's so many beloved characters in this. Yes, it's for a certain age range, I'd say, and at this point we're probably you guys are definitely at the younger range of it. I would I would hazard to say there are people three to four years younger than you that have no will have no love for this because they just don't have the affinity for the characters.

SPEAKER_03 53:33

But for actually jump jumping on that, I had a question for you, Rich, before you finish your thought. Your son is what, ten years old? Has he ever watched this?

SPEAKER_04 53:43

No. Uh I was gonna watch it with him, but I don't know. They got wrapped up in some nonsense that they're watching, they're watching some terrible alien documentary from Do you think that he would appreciate the movie in the same way that you would? No. It's not I mean everything that every all the effects that he sees now are better. He has no I mean, I I did make him I I got him to watch a little bit of Looney Tunes, but you know, like I mean I remember growing up, like I loved one of the most exciting things for me was like going to like the Warner Brothers store, like the Disney store that opened at the mall by me, because like I got to get like Disney and like you know, Looney Tunes merch. You know, I got like Daffy Duck Cups and and you know Donald stuff and goofy stuff and I loved it. He doesn't care. He has no I he has never even asked me he doesn't even care about going to Disney or anything like that, so it's a different world now, man. Like unless I I I don't I'm sad to say that this is a movie that my kid, you know, it's with my gen my kid's generation, it's it's done.

SPEAKER_03 54:49

It's not going to hit the naturally appreciate it. No.

SPEAKER_04 54:53

You'd have to you'd have to explain like why it's so he might he could appreciate it just because like it's well written, I think, and it's well done, you know. But talking like like Shrek, you know, like it's good like that, but it's not that this is part of the is the celebrity value, right? The celebrities of the tunes. And if you don't know the celebrities, then you know, like who cares? You know, if you go to a man a minor league baseball game and you get everyone's autograph, cool. Do you know anyone? Like, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 55:25

But you know, kind of jumping on like what Rich said, you know, like you know how you said that your son doesn't ask to go to Disney? I mean, that's because I think mostly our generation, maybe Gen Z, you know, we grew up in the era where Disney and I would say like Looney Tunes like were was really was like really like taking not taking off, but like was like really like popular amongst like our age, like our generations. And that that's why like I think that millennials are the target audience of Disney like funded because we are the target audience. If you look around at Disney, it's like mostly adults. Like I mean you see kids there too, but it's mostly adults, and the kids that are there are because their parents brought them, you know.

SPEAKER_03 56:13

I kind of cut you off from your final thing. Do you have anything else that you wanted to say?

SPEAKER_04 56:16

Yeah, if I'm going to Florida, I'm bringing my kid to Lone Depot Park, and that's about it.

SPEAKER_03 56:20

Oh my god, that sounds fun.

SPEAKER_04 56:22

But I if you know, if you're around our age, I guess if you're between the ages of 28, I'm gonna stretch it to, and I'd say all the way to like, you know, 60. I I think this is uh this is awesome. This is a really fun time. I think it's nostalgic. I uh I think it's intelligent, it's well written, it's there's it's a labor of love in terms of the way that they really m meshed the real world and animation. I think it's a marvel. I think it's a gateway to some of the stuff that we have now. I think without the success of Who Framed Roger Rabbit, I don't know if animated films become adult fodder and make millions the way they do now.

SPEAKER_01 57:12

Jen? I really enjoyed it. I thought it was a good time. For me, it was very nostalgic because I genuinely haven't seen it since I was a kid. So, like, all of a sudden it scene would come on and I'm like, oh my gosh, I remember this. And I just I loved the complexity of the story as Rich brought up, um, like the continuity of the story. Just because it was like four kids, they didn't make it simplistic because I think they understood that a lot of adults, even at that time, would be really excited to see Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse on the same screen. So they knew that the target audience was wider because they had that nostalgic the nostalgia factor, which is something the Mario movie could have had, and they chose not to. And I was looking it up while you guys were talking. The author of the book, Gary K. Wolf, in like late 2025 got the rights to his story back. So his original characters are now his again, and apparently he's talking about making more content with them. So we'll see where that goes. I think specifically the character Jessica Rabbit is one that appeals to a lot of people for pretty obvious reasons.

Next Week Tease And Sign Off

SPEAKER_03 58:23

Gooners. Guys, that's Gooners never say die. Thank you so much for listening to us here for our 160th episode. Next week, we cover Maul Shadow Lord. And until then, Sayonara. The Wolverine.

SPEAKER_05 58:49

Jinx.