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Prometheus (2012)
A pristine expedition, a desperate billionaire, and an android who studies humans like insects—Prometheus gives us a creation story wrapped in a horror spiral, and we dive straight into the deep end. We open with the curveball: does this actually belong in Alien canon? From the black goo’s chaotic mutations to that unforgettable med-pod sequence, we unpack how Ridley Scott trades “truckers in space” for clinical dread without losing the series’ body-horror bite.
We spend time with David, because Fassbender’s performance is the film’s moral compass and its moral hazard. His curiosity feels colder than any xeno, and his choices—spiking a drink, testing limits—mirror the film’s larger question: what happens when creation outruns conscience? From there we track the branching biology of LV-223, the hammerpedes, the proto-xenomorph “deacon,” and why those outcomes read like a parallel strain rather than a single neat origin. That framing lets us connect the Engineers to LV-426 without forcing contradictions, keeping the franchise’s mystery alive.
The conversation also hits the big ideas the movie can’t stop chasing: stolen fire, makers who fail their creations, and a scientist who keeps her cross because an answer only opens a bigger door. We weigh fan frustration against a growing cult appreciation, spotlight the ensemble (Theron, Elba, Rapace), and call out the moments that strain logic while still serving theme. If you love Alien for the dread and the design but stayed for the questions, this one’s for you.
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Welcome to episode 135 of Project Geekology. I am one of your hosts, Anthony, and this week we are going to be covering Prometheus and Bob. Yeah, oh, you thought this was going to be an aliens podcast? No, we are covering Prometheus and Bob from Kablan. We are going to spend the next hour, hour and a half, however long this po podcast is, talking about a very small portion of a small show. And just kidding. We're actually going to be covering Prometheus, which I mean to some people is not part of the alien universe. So was I wrong when I when I said y'all thought this was a podcast, uh alien podcast? But yes, joining me as always is.
SPEAKER_01:Dakota. I I promise you, Floss, I didn't know where he was going with that until he said, and Bob. I I will say the Prometheus and Bob shorts uh from from Kablam are some of my the the favorite some of my favorite things I watched as a kid, and there weren't enough of them. Um I I think they numbered into like the or like the the actual shorts had numbers on them where basically Prometheus was this extremely smart alien with this incredibly stupid caveman, and the it was a claymation short. And the the the whole point of Prometheus and Bob was Prometheus had some incredible scheme or test or something, and Bob would ruin it somehow just by being present. And uh they numbered into like the the hundreds, if I remember correctly. Like they would be like Prometheus Prometheus and Bob tape number 385 or something. But really, there was only like a handful of them. I think there was less than 20 shorts that were produced. Um, and I I wish there were more, just it was it's such a good little concept, and yeah, anyway. Prometheus! It's the it's an alien movie, guys. There's aliens in this. Um don't let anyone on this podcast fool you. There are aliens, they there's robots, there are protagonists that have uh the spelling E-L-L at the beginning of their name. There's a a company called Wayland Corporation. There's a lot of there's engineers. There's come on, engineers. Anyway, I'm I'm the second host of the podcast Dakota, and I'm joined, as always, with Disgruntled Rich. Disgruntled Rich. Here he comes. Well, why are you disgruntled Rich?
SPEAKER_03:I think that Prometheus and Bob honestly sounds like it might be more connected to the damn franchise than what we're about to talk about tonight. All right. Honestly, if robot Ridley Scott, and that's about it. All right. I and I'm gonna be haunted, gentle viewers, dear viewers, by the visage of one of the engineers that is constantly in my eye holes because Anthony used it as a background. It is a haunting image of an engineer smiling.
SPEAKER_01:It's it's you know, it's it's clearly the actor just like breaking character for a moment. It breaks into the uncanny valley of just like it's it's a bizarre thing to look at, but also charming.
SPEAKER_03:It's like the time that I I was going through a toll booth and I saw a very serious clown just on his way to his next job. And it's it's a weird thing to see, man. You know, like you usually see them happy and jump bouncing and not sitting at a toll waiting to throw some quarters in.
SPEAKER_01:It's a real job, Jim, Jim.
SPEAKER_03:It's a real job, Rich. It's like you just you just went to bones from Star Trek.
SPEAKER_01:Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor! I I actually I it's funny enough you say that. It obviously isn't, but you know, it it had that feel briefly, um, at least in the first half. Well listen, what I what I what I will say, uh listeners, is Prometheus has gone through several iterations of fan dialogue. When it first came out, it was generally panned by viewers, but by critics, it was raved. So it was one of those situations. Critics loved it, fans didn't know what to think of it, because it changes the genetic history of the xenomorph creature to some extent. And it doesn't ex it doesn't uh exactly explain how or why you know all of this is is happening in this movie, but it definitely changes the origins of not just xenomorphs, but also humanity. So it connects everything in this uh big black goo situation. Um and I a lot of people didn't know what to make of that, but recently it is be it is you know kind of like seen some resurgence as kind of like a cult classic within the franchise, just because there's there's clear vision here. It's it's made by a competent, a very competent director. Uh it goes back to the classic body horror roots of the alien franchise. It has the DNA of the first alien film, and it's directed by Ridley Scott. So, you know, it is what it is. But we'll talk about all of our misgivings, all the things we liked about it, and everything else, and why Rish doesn't believe this is an alien film more. But for now, um, Anthony, like whenever you like leave the frame, like that that image just pops up, and it's like a it's a jump scare. It's it's an actual jump scare. Anyway.
SPEAKER_02:Just think of me smiling, you know?
SPEAKER_01:Just I'm gonna think of you smiling over there while you leave the frame. Um Anthony, we'll start with you so you can get that face out of my my screen. Um what have you been up to this past week?
SPEAKER_02:What have I been up to? I don't know. Nothing much. Nothing much really, just um just gaming. Uh oh well, actually, tomorrow as of recording, is gonna be and I was I know I know uh you and Rich are, you know, kind of whatever on it, but for those of our listeners that enjoy it, uh campaign four of Critical Role starts tomorrow. So yeah, I'm that's actually very cool. Yeah, I'm pretty stoked about that. And uh Matt Mercer, who is usually the DM for he was the DM for the first three campaigns, is actually gonna be a player character in this one. And a DM that's usually over on Dimension 20. It's like another like platform. He's gonna be doing he's gonna be DMing because he he had come over and done uh a DMing for a few events for Critical Role. So now he's gonna be a full-time DM for this campaign. So it's it's gonna be pretty cool. The dynamic is gonna is gonna be different. So I'm I'm pretty stoked to see that. But yeah, so yeah, not nothing nothing much for me, just gaming. Um watch something pop up into my head like 30 minutes later into the podcast.
SPEAKER_01:Every time.
SPEAKER_02:Every time. Uh what have you been up to, Rich?
SPEAKER_03:Uh let's see, I finally got my hands on Mario Odyssey. I bought I actually got a uh physical copy, uh, which I was very happy about because one day when my internet went down in my house, I was uh very aghast to find out that I wasn't able to play many of my games, partly because I share um I share games on my son's PS5 and I kind of like they're kind of saved there. Yeah, there are just other things on the even the Switch system that I I wasn't able to play if I uh didn't have like the game card shared or whatever with uh with internet access. So I started playing it and I'm really excited. It's exactly what I wanted it to be. I wanted it, I wanted an N64, Mario 64 kind of throwback, uh, with just kind of better graphics, and uh I got exactly what I wanted. The only problem is that the backlight on my TV has started to go out. So uh luckily Columbus Day is coming up. So it looks like I'll be in the hunt for that. And uh I'm sure a lot of our listeners will be very upset to hear that baseball season has ended for me uh because the New York Metropolitans are one of the uh most uh inefficient uh and uh embarrassing franchises to be a fan of. Um and uh yes, I did get full season tickets for next year, and uh no, I didn't cancel them.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I'm happy that you didn't cancel your tickets. Thankfully, one of the New York teams is in the playoffs currently.
SPEAKER_03:Maybe not for long, friend. Maybe not for long. By the time people listen to this, it could be uh uh way over for uh Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know what? The they're playing right now, and I think they're tied last I checked uh with the Red Sox. I know Anthony would love if the Red Sox won because he's got some ties uh to it to some he's got some Boston roots somewhere.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, you know you know, I have um you know I have uh family members from Boston.
SPEAKER_03:Don't you have a signed copy of Goodwill Huntington by uh Matt Damon and Ben Affleck? How did he do that? So this is the visual, the visual response is that Anthony immediately put up a background of the Boston Red Sox. I love it. Okay. Um you know what, guys? Listen, this is the greatest development ever, right? We finally got to the point where we got Anthony to jump into the baseball conversation. So uh it took all season, 160.
SPEAKER_01:Even if it just meant he was gonna put on his colors. Yeah, you know, like that's that's it. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_02:You know, I just do it. I just do it to like mess around. I always like to mess around with Rich, like, you know, hey, look, man, this game is happening. When they're playing the when the Mets were playing the Marlins.
SPEAKER_03:I uh I was fooled into thinking that you might go to the stadium for a bit. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Another day. I'm not driving an hour and a half to go. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's nuts. But that's cool. You got uh you're you're geared up to play some Mario Odyssey.
SPEAKER_03:Um let's not get into this again, ladies and gentlemen. Let's just say it's Luigi's brother. Can we agree that's Luigi's brother is Odyssey? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I always pronounce it Luigi.
SPEAKER_03:How do you say the guy's name who's in opposition to our lead, our lead plumber?
SPEAKER_00:It's Wario, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I call him Wario. Do you call it Wario?
SPEAKER_03:I call him Wario. Wario, okay.
SPEAKER_01:All right.
SPEAKER_02:So we go from Wario to Mario.
SPEAKER_03:Very good. This isn't a battle that will never end, ladies and gentlemen. We we probably we probably should uh start with uh with Prometheus over here. Uh let's let's start off with the cast, because I this is something I can be positive about. I did like the casting. I was surprised to see uh Charlie Steron. I didn't know that it I like again. I have been forced into being put in the dark by these two gentlemen here. So for these movies, I've been I've shackled myself. I am not watching, I'm not doing any research, I'm not reading anything, I'm just putting the movie on. So I have no idea what to expect. I was shocked. Michael Fassbender is in this, for some reason he likes taking uh riding on a bicycle and shooting a basketball at the same time. I guess we'll talk about that later. But I can say the casting I thought was delightful.
SPEAKER_01:I I 100% agree with you. Um it just elbows in it randomly. Benedict Wong. Uh, we got some pretty big names. I I think a lot of them are bigger names now. Um, but yeah, we we I I do really like the casting in this movie, and uh I'm I'm pleased that uh you did as well. I I'm curious if if you guys thought that the basketball scene had any reference to Resurrection and that basketball scene.
SPEAKER_03:Oh. I mean I just thought it was weird because of the fact that he's I mean obviously he's a little more, you know, whatever, advanced or no, wait, this is beforehand. So I just if you look at the robot from the first movie, right, there doesn't seem to be any kind of pleasure seeking or or need to exercise, right? Like it it it doesn't seem like that's the case. So I was a little put off by that. I mean, now that you mention the basketball scene, it does make a little bit of sense.
SPEAKER_01:Because she does, Ripley does have a scene in that movie where she throws the ball behind her and it goes in the hoop without her looking. Fast bender does that on the bicycle without looking, over the like, you know, over the head. And so it might be a small nod to, you know, like the the shared history of this um crazy universe. Um I don't necessarily think I look, I highly doubt Ridley Scott enjoys Alien Resurrection. You know, it seeing where his movie was taken in just three simple sequels probably irks him. And that's probably why he you know took the reins back for the next couple of movies. Um because he's doing he did Covenant as well. So we're we're gonna follow Ridley Scott into the next movie as well. So he he kind of took the reins back with Prometheus and um reground the story with an almost a new origin. Uh well it is a new origin for for for everything, you know, like the whole galaxy perhaps. Um and not a lot of answers. Uh Ridley Scott loves to do that. He he loves to ask us a lot of questions, give us hints at answers, and there's more hints, uh there's more answers rather in this movie than there was in the original Alien, but there's still a lot of mystery left off by the end of this movie. But let's yeah, let's start with Michael Fastbender's David. Uh Anthony, what are what are your thoughts on this robot as opposed to Ash or Bishop in the fut in the next one?
SPEAKER_02:Uh I guess maybe because of this being I think that this is in the timeline, this is the first movie, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, this is the first one.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Okay, so obviously his android is dated. He you can kind of tell that he's an android. You know, it's not he he's very like robotic. You see it in his face. Michael Fastbender does a really good job at that, like kind of devoid of emotion, but trying to mimic emotion, you know, like he's trying to mimic emotion, which is pretty cool. Right. But like it's very robotic, and you can tell. So I think he does a really good job with that. So yeah, no, I like yeah, I I think I I I enjoyed it. I thought that he did a really good job.
SPEAKER_01:And almost 30 years later with Ash and Alien, they're a lot less perceptible. You know, like they they've gotten to a point where you can't really tell that they're a robot unless you're like looking for it. And for whatever reason, when it comes to aliens, uh 57 years after the original alien, Bishop is a little bit more robotic. Um perhaps, you know, like stronger or faster or whatever than uh Ash or David. Um, but the the general vibe that he that Bishop gives us in that movie is more akin to David's, you know, like you can tell that you know he is trying to speak like a very proper individual, you know? Whereas uh so I I wonder if it's it's actually Ash was supposed to be uh incognito. He was supposed to blend in with the the rest of the crew. I think that might be just like his programming versus Bishop, who is meant like there uh at that point in time, it's it's natural for them to have an android on or a synthetic on the ship uh for any of these types of missions. So he's not he's not incognito, like there's no reason to hide his uh his stuff. And then by the time of resurrection, 200 years later, you have the autons, which is like another branch off of that, which are much more human-like, you know, like you you wouldn't even know, you know. Um, and they they for all intents and purposes do have emotion. So it's it's it's a weird um history that all stems back to David. What did we think of our archaeologists, Ellie and what's this other guy's name? Um it's a very normal name. I can't recall his name at all. Charlie. Yeah, it's a very it's your son's name. I should have I should I should have been like, hey, that's my son's name.
SPEAKER_03:But uh so that's not something that happened, guys. And uh I don't really want you guys to uh continue to judge me just because I don't remember somebody's my my son's name. Uh you know what, you know what? Maybe maybe that speaks to the film. Maybe that's not on me.
SPEAKER_01:I know actually whenever I meet someone named Mike, which is like the most common name in America, um, and that I I know that that's my father's name, and I know that that is the middle name of uh my father-in-law, my brother-in-law, and a bunch of people I know, that name will completely go over my head. I don't remember it. I as soon as I like lose sight of that person, I don't remember that they are a mic anymore. You know, like it's so I get it. I do. I do. Uh yeah, so Charlie and Ellie. I thought I did think it was kind of fitting-ish or kind of like a nod that instead of Ellen, it's Ellie as uh as the protagonist, the main female protagonist. Even though Ridley Sc Ridley Scott didn't name the character of Ellen Ripley. Um because for whatever reason he only gave us her last name. But anyway. So yeah, he was just like Ripley. Just Ripley. Just ripping new ones.
SPEAKER_02:You know, she does have like a Ripley moment, though, man. Like she's just like she has an alien inside her at one point, you know?
SPEAKER_01:Dude, that was a creepy scene.
SPEAKER_02:That was a creepy scene, and it was like a squid, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it was completely there's dude, there's so much in this movie.
SPEAKER_02:Um I saw when I saw that, like I was just like, just I got the immediate connection to the rest of the alien movies.
SPEAKER_03:I I it it was almost like okay, like I I'm gonna address that scene. It's literally like they put in like seven things and they're like, this will make it an alien movie, alright? Uh that okay, and I won't lie, that was a pretty cool scene, and I honestly felt there was a part of me that was like she's going to get attacked again before she gets out. Like, I I almost thought she wasn't gonna get away for half a second, so they got me. It was it was good, all right. And uh it was pretty uh, you know, pretty tough of her to go and have it extracted herself. I I won't lie, but I felt like that somebody watched, they did like a test audience, and they're like, There's no alien in somebody, and they're like, Alright, let's go back and write it in, you know. Like Ridley Scott's like, we're gonna do that old thing again. Fine fan service.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know if it was tough though. It was definitely a tough scene.
SPEAKER_01:I do think that was baked into the story, like, from the get-go, because it does come back to attack her at the end of the film and eventually kind of becomes her savior, and then uh obviously the the baby, whatever uh you want to call it, um, kind of becomes this gigantic face hugger by the end of the movie and impregnates the engineer with a proto-xenomorph, actually. And the the production notes they call it deacon, just because it it has like the the head shape of like a uh like a Catholic deacon. So that's what they call that, but it was very xenomorph-esque, and it almost kind of looked like the alien three one when that first popped out. So there was a xenomorph. It might not have been like the xenomorph, but it was it was there. There it's definitely there.
SPEAKER_03:In the very end, so it okay, let's see. It it was a rather long movie. Can one of you describe so what is the new origin of the xenomorphs? Uh it it it's in a I've been mapping it.
SPEAKER_01:I've been mapping it. Okay. All right, with Prometheus, we are not on LV426, which is the planet in alien and aliens, first and foremost. So that is a different ship that those humans encounter, that is a different engineer, that is a different cargo. Um, the cargo being those alien pods. On this planet, LV426, or LV223, that's the planet in Prometheus. Um, and going back even further, we we have the beginning scene of the black goo um being absorbed by the engineer um somewhere in Iceland, and he basically permeates the world with a primordial soup, basically engineering life on Earth. That then jumps you know, millions of years later, these dudes are for whatever reason trying to do something different with the black goo because everything that happens in the movie past that point, the black goo has a different reaction to its, you know, to the the things around it. Instead of completely destroying the cellular structure of the things, it's mutating and changing them into weaponized features. So you'll notice that there were worms inside that room with all those vases, and they turned into uh there's a term for it. They call them hammer peeds because they kind of have a hammerhead type shape. Um so the the worms turned into hammer peeds that you know attacked. And um the same goes for the the black goo going into Charlie, who then um impregnates Ellie, who then gives birth to that monster um that you know is almost like squid-like, who then goes into the engineer, who then gives birth to a different variant of the xenomorph. It's almost like a proto-xenomorph structure. So I your question being, is this the new origin of xenomorphs in the galaxy? I don't think so. I think this is just a variant that evolved completely differently. Um, because the the likelihood that they would have had a human impregnate another human to give birth to that, to then do that, and then, you know, like burst out of an engineer is just completely unique to this movie. So but but I do believe that the new intent of what Ridley Scott is suggesting is that the black goo did permeate life for the xenomorphs. And the xenomorphs are basically an engineered weapon that who knows how long they've been around because the engineers have been around for thousands of years, you know. So it's it's kind of hard to say. So I don't think that there's a direct lineage from Prometheus to Alien, besides, you know, the the time difference. I don't think any of those I don't think that Deacon Xenomorph made it over to LV426 and seeded all those pods. I think that's a completely different branch of that creature's history. Does that make sense? Is that does that answer some questions?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it actually does. I was a little because I I I was kind of you know, I I was kind of used to what we had seen. So I I kind of just kind of went into it. I don't want to say taken for granted, but I I just assumed what I I knew what I know, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Anthony?
SPEAKER_02:Um something that I noticed about this film, and it it's it's similar to the original, is the pacing. You know, there it's a bit of a slow burn. It's not action right away, just like the original. The original there was that gradual build-up until you got the xenomorph. And you know, even then, like when we got the xenomorph, like really, really got the xenomorph, it was like in very small portions. So this was kind of like that same thing, you know, they get there, something kind of happens, but like you you don't always get the action, you know, it's not until later on where you started to see what exactly was going on.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I like that. And again, it feels it's it's very much a really scott movie, and he he kind of wanted that feel of alien, you know. Um it's it's a lot less gritty and dark. So the first film was definitely like truckers in space uh encounter or something that they couldn't, you know, deal with. This movie is more scientific and archaeological, and yeah, I I I thought I thought the premise of this one was very cool. But you know, going going back to what Rich Rich's uh misgivings with the movie, like you you felt you had some understanding of the creature, the xenomorph, up until this movie, and that kind of upended how you feel about them as this ancient race of evolution, I guess, you know, and they they definitely are an evolutionary creature because they they evolve with their hosts and everything, but it's not the same as something that's evolved over millions of years by itself to become the perfect weapon, you know? And I think that's what everyone thought up until this movie came out. And now that's why like a lot of people had some serious misgivings. Like, maybe they shouldn't have given us the origin of this creature because that ruins some of the mystique that's inherent in the story and kind of makes them less scary in a way. I mean, it doesn't make them less scary, but it knowing more about your enemy makes them inherently less terrifying just because you know you you have some background on what they are, what they're capable of, whether where they're coming and where they're going, you know? So yeah, so I I I get that. I I get why you feel I mean, do you do you feel like you've been gypped a little bit with this storyline?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because I always kind of believed that they were like the brood from the X-Men.
SPEAKER_01:Like I was I was expecting to sometime at some point go to a brood planet and and that's why I kind of like a couple episodes ago, I was kind of like wary to say yes or no to that just because I, you know, like but um yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I anticipated like going to a uh, you know, like at some point we we end up on a brood on a you know the Xenomorph planet, yeah, and there's just like I don't know, uh a crazy cast of characters on a suicide mission to Xenomorph Planet to gather data or something, you know. Like I was waiting for I was to kill the queen of all queens. I was waiting for some crazy flamethrowing act, like crazy flamethrowers, like Queen of Miss Prime. Yeah, like you know, drilling down just them swarming in the dirt. Like I just I had so many ideas. And this movie just went in such a completely different direction and changed, I thought, the the lore, the canon of their pretty dramas dramatically.
SPEAKER_01:It's it's a it's a huge monkey wrench in a lot of people's understanding of this franchise. Um are are you, Anthony, like of the same mindset? Does this uh before you had seen this movie, did you feel a different way about the alien species, the xenomorphs, and does this movie negatively impact your understanding of them?
SPEAKER_02:So I feel like because we we get the introduction of the engineers, right? And I feel like any like humanoid or hum or human aspects to the xenomorphs make a little bit more sense just because like technically technically humanity and the xenomorphs are like made by the same beings, you know? Right. So for me it gave them a little bit more of a connection. And I guess like also it made it also gives it a reason why the aliens are were probably so willing and e or the xenomorphs were so willing and easy to just attack humans in the in, you know, the original quadrilogy, um, is that somewhere down in their lineage they did have some sort of interaction with humans.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I guess uh yeah, I mean it it would make sense. You know, actually I I'm I'm gonna pause the not the podcast, but like the I'm gonna I have a question because you guys watched um Alien vs Predator last week, right? Or the week before. There's there's almost like an archaeological element to that first movie, you know, like where they they are digging for clues about this, I'm assuming the alien race, right? The xenomorphs. And I don't know if do you feel like because I it's been a while since I've seen that movie, but I got the same vibe from the presentation in that movie of like the Xenomorph's origins in Alien vs. Predator that I did in uh for like the presentation that Ellie and Charlie gave uh aboard the Prometheus ship when you know they were saying everything about like the ancient histories of these worlds, depict this in the stars and all that. Do you think there's any like not obviously like a can a canon link, but do you think that there was any um like cross uh pollination of ideas here? Like, did this potentially did Alien vs. Predator um potentially influence this movie?
SPEAKER_03:It's just such a trope, right? That the aliens built the pyramids type thing, right? Like it's yeah, like there's actually it was the predators.
SPEAKER_02:It was the predators of the temple, yeah. Sorry, but uh I do no no, but but I do I I do see where you're going though, Dakota. And I do see that maybe that idea was kind of you know, like ancient civilizations always have some sort of temple, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Rach, what were you saying? I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_03:No, I just it it it does it's uh it's such a common thing in movies and literature, I'd say, like this idea that you know or conspiracy theorists, right? That the the way the only way that any of these things could have been built was was the uh the intervention of some sort of advanced species that visits us every once in a while to push us along and you know give us AI and iPhones and stuff. So I it is similar, but I I don't know if I w I'd go so far as to say that like it's intentionally done. I just think it's it's just an easy could it could it have been influenced per perhaps by by the film? I guess the question is does did Ridley Scott allow Predator vs. Alien to influence him? And I don't You don't see that. Not him. I don't if it was a different director, I might say yeah, you know, but maybe they they they kind of nudged it that way. I I don't it it would be interesting because I do I did like the Predator backstory actually. For for some reason, I thoroughly enjoyed that one.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, uh so let's talk a little bit about Ridley Scott because around this time he was making a couple movies that were almost like rel well, they are they were religious in nature. So he he made Prometheus, which is about meeting your creator or creators, plural. And then either just before or shortly after this, he made Exodus uh I think it's Gods and Kings or something, gods and men or something. Um, so he he has this desire to it it's clearly a fascination with him, at least at this point in his career, the the idea of there being uh higher powers at B. What did you guys think of the early pollination of Earth, uh essentially terraforming it and creating like the primordial soup that eventually became humanity, like and and life on Earth? Like what are your what are your thoughts on that? And what do you think his message was there? Let's go to Anthony.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, like you said, like you know, like he really went like the philosophical route in this one, and so I guess that narrative if it was a little it was a little a little odd, you know. There are definitely some moments in this movie, and I don't know if it's because of like the pacing and or because of how different it is from the rest of the series that you get kind of taken out of the movie sometimes, and I feel like whenever it got to some stuff like this, it kind of took me out of the movie a little a little bit.
SPEAKER_01:Because it was such a broad concept that I understand. Yeah, it's almost like so out there that it's like, hold on, you're telling a different story altogether now. Like, is is that is that the gist of what you guys are saying? Oh, you pretty much, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Like like a movie that's not alien, right? Like like like he he's making another movie, folks. He's making another movie, all right?
SPEAKER_01:No, I I mean I don't I don't begrudge him the idea of like choosing to you know use the alien franchise as a vessel for us another story that he wants to tell, you know. Like that's kind of like Star Wars being uh you could tell a Star Wars story without showing us a single lightsaber, you know. It's and once upon a time that would have would have never been even a possibility, but we now live in that world. But yeah, I'm sorry, Rich. I I kinda I cut you off a little bit. No, I was just being antagonistic, right? Ah yeah, you you're the you everyone's gotta be a villain at least once a podcast. Like once uh every podcast needs a villain. Yeah, that's that's basically what it it boils down to. Today you're the villain. You're David, bro.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Normally my role is just uh mention the the next the next uh part of the franchise that we're talking about and accidentally spoil everybody at home. But uh this time it's uh Yeah, I look I agree with Anthony. It it the uh the idea is okay, but I I I'm not interested in how Earth was formed. I I I I guess that's what I like I'm that's not what I'm here for. Like I'm I'm here for some juicy action. And this is how we know this is an alien movie. We are 42 minutes into recording, give or take edits, ladies and gentlemen, and I will tell you something. This is the first mention of juice. We have not mentioned juicy aliens one time. I if you go back, we must have said juicy like 17 times an episode, alright? We get to 42 minutes. Anthony, how do you feel about the lack of juice?
SPEAKER_02:Well, you you know, honestly, to tell you the truth, Rich, you know, I'm glad that you brought that up. I'm really, really glad that you brought up the the severe lack of juice level. Because when I think of our reviews, I don't want them to lack juice. I want them to be xenomorph juicy, you know, like that scene that you're talking about in Alien vs. Predator where the juice like drips off and ends up in somebody's mouth. The best. Like we want that type of juicy.
SPEAKER_00:This this bit has gone on way too long. I can't believe this is like a staple for this stupid podcast.
SPEAKER_02:Please give us a five-star juicy review. I love that we went from burgers to just like disgusting xenomorphs.
SPEAKER_01:I okay, there is there is juice in this movie, okay? We can't deny that there is juice in this movie. It doesn't come in the form of a xenomorph, even though it's a little slippery when it first emerges from the uh uh xenomorph at the at the end. But that's to be that's that's that's normal, you know. Birth is messy. But but there's a lot of juice in this movie. I mean, we we immediately see a uh a xenomorph drink is juice in the beginning of the movie. It's a little gross looking, it looks like it has some chia seeds in it. Weird, but juice, black juice. Anyway, uh when we go into uh that cave in LV223 where all of the uh pillars are, as soon as they break the atmosphere seal, what do they do? They start juicing those those things, they just start oozing juice, like it's just it's just juice everywhere, and by the time they come back to the scene, there's so much juice, it's like all listen, the juice has turned the worms into hammer peeds. It's there's a lot there's a lot going on in this movie. Not to mention that there's an alien xenomorph, or there's a not a xenomorph, but uh engineer head that becomes so juicy it literally pops.
SPEAKER_02:So there is do you feel like this movie explains why xenomorphs are so juicy?
SPEAKER_01:Oh no, no, that's a mystery that deserves to stay in the mystery bin.
SPEAKER_02:It's like they're in the it's like they're in the water, but not in the water. That's like they're just always dripping like they just got out of the water.
SPEAKER_03:I I have a mystery, guys, that maybe you can help me solve. Maybe Idriselba's character is uh to my knowledge just kind of a pilot, right? He's just the captain. Just the captain. And uh how what what expertise level does he have in recognizing virulent biochemical plan uh production planets?
SPEAKER_01:Excellent point. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when that scene popped up, but he he suddenly has like this answer to the question that actually is true in terms of like what's going on in the story, as far as we know, where he basically says, you know, these guys aren't your creators, they're they're here. I mean, maybe they are the creators, but they're this is they didn't call you here to say hello, they they you know they're going out and they're destroying these are super weapons that they're creating, which is true, you know. Yeah, super uh so I don't know how he got that knowledge. He must have just pieced it like it may it came to him in a dream, you know, like this is like we gotta get out of here.
SPEAKER_03:It's it it that one and I and you know, and I and um look, I think by that point I'm kind of starting to nitpick a little bit, you know, but uh it's just I think I was where like in another movie, like it's funny because if that's in like Alien Resurrection or which is the one I I really like too. Like if that was an Alien 2, I I just like hand waving. No problem.
SPEAKER_01:Because there's a lot of hand waving that you can do with Aliens, uh the second movie, just because like they don't even give you an answer as to why they call them a xenomorph. Like, where did you come up with that term? Um uh or an alien three uh in in the scripts, in the novelization, in the special edition, in the theatrical edition, they never explain how there were two two face huggers on their life lifeboat shuttle leaving, but they are they're there. Uh anyway, sorry. Um, yeah, so uh no, it's okay to nitpick. Uh, and I do think that that was a poor line, like it was just a strange bit of like, well, someone's gotta, you know, tell the audience that these guys are evil, because it's kind of confusing at this point. Like, what's going on? Maybe they just like monsters, who knows? So uh going back to my question about the I guess the purpose of this movie in terms of like it almost is like someone told Ridley Scott, prepare to meet your maker, and Ridley Scott was like, huh, that's a weird threat. Let's turn that into a movie. Um and they met their maker, and he's a bit of a jerk, you know? He's just immediately tossing people around, just like ripping robot heads off of limbs and stuff. Not he the specifically the engineer, but like the they um as a plural collective um are kind of jerks, as far as we know. Why and what is the why? We don't know. We don't know. They never explain that. But what I do like about this movie is that it gives you an out. As like if you're a person of faith and you find that this is like almost sacrilegious to talk about, even though this is fiction, you know, this is a fictional universe, you can you can make the creator whatever you want. It's it's your universe, whatever. But Ridley Scott gives you an out if you're uncomfortable with that. Um, because there's the through line of Ellie wearing the cross, and basically the gist is Ellie starts to realize, like, well, hold on. If they created us, who created them? And that kind of ties back to the name of the movie, Prometheus. So Prometheus is a uh an ancient Greek myth that uh the a guy named Prometheus stole fire from the Titans, basically fire from the gods, and brought it to humanity. And because of that, he was plagued and uh like disciplined uh very harshly. The premise here, or at least the the parallel that I see with the story that we have in this movie, the Prometheus, even though that's the name of their shuttle, is also basically the what happens with the engineers. So the engineers take the fire that they were given and they you know start giving life around the galaxy. It seems like what's happening, and then that fire, or you know, because they did that, they are disciplined or they are punished in some way, and that's why we see them, you know, start to completely die off based on you know what they started, you know. So I think I think the the point of this is that there are possibly bigger forces in the galaxy outside of the engineers, even though the engineers directly were the direct progenitors for humanity, there's a larger, there could be a larger cosmic presence in the in the galaxy, basically, who that created them, who the engineers stole life from and gave it to others. You know what I'm saying? I think that's the that's what I'm I'm choosing to believe, just because I think that that's kind of a cool concept.
SPEAKER_03:Do we follow so is this our new canon, quote unquote, moving forward as we head into The Last Covenant or uh Ark of the Covenant, or what is it?
SPEAKER_01:Alien Covenant Covenant.
SPEAKER_03:Sorry.
SPEAKER_01:Alien Ark of the Covenant. Yeah, that'd be great. That's that'd be great.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, listen, bring it in, uh you put in Indiana Jones, alright, and uh bring in some crystal skulls, and uh, you know, you might have yourself a good movie.
SPEAKER_01:You might you might make yourself a student.
SPEAKER_03:There were aliens in uh crystal skull, right? There were aliens in Crystal Skull, and they had they looked kind of like xenomorph heads, uh and they do have the long heads, you're right, you're right. Maybe that's the that's the you know what I think somebody mixed up the scripts.
SPEAKER_01:That's what happened, right? We we can't give this guy an inch, man. He he just keeps he keeps on going. What was I gonna say? You you asked if this is the new canon. I don't really think that this changes the canon at all. Personally, I mean it does. No, sorry, it definitely does add lore to the xenomorphs, it adds lore to the human side, it adds lore to the the company Wayland Corporation, which is is has which has yet to brand uh alongside Utani. So it's still the Wayland Corporation, it's not Wayland Utani. But as far as the new canon, I don't think this is a branch. I think this is just another chapter in this timeline.
SPEAKER_03:Because then so Anthony, maybe you can answer this. Uh so if this is before aliens, why do why does Wa the Wail the company in that movie not have seeming or has it taken them this long to sk to like try to get it again, the xenomorphs like because they're trying to get them, right? And in Aliens 1 and Aliens 2, they're the corporation or the company is trying to bring these back at all costs, right? But it's already been a thing. Like, did it did they somehow forget this happened? Did this never get transmitted like you know back? Like it seemed like the uh L Ellie escapes, uh Riley number two.
SPEAKER_01:We'll have to figure out what happens to Ellie in the next one, because I actually have not watched Covenant, so I don't know what happens past this point. I know I've seen Romulus, which is the one after Covenant, but I haven't seen the next one um the next release Scott film. So I I can't answer that. I know that you asked Anthony specifically, but uh Anthony, do you have a better answer?
SPEAKER_02:And you're talking about for the the first movie where they're trying to go. I don't I I think that just I th I don't think that that's something that's explained they don't like why it took so long. Well, I mean because by the time you know in this one there's just Weylin, not Waylin Utani. You know, actually in the first one it's Waylin Utani and then then they decide to throw the the D in the end. But I think maybe maybe it w at some point it was something that they wanted, they just didn't have the I guess the it just wasn't they they had to like figure out like where they were, 'cause you know, because like Dakota said, you know, like you don't get an explanation on why there's a uh xenomorph eggs on that derelict ship in the first one.
SPEAKER_01:No, we have no idea.
SPEAKER_02:So for all we know, that ship might have g might have gone to this planet, you know, that derelict ship, at some point, and then, you know, found some eggs, took them all, took them aboard, and just you know, that I mean for I'm trying to think.
SPEAKER_01:Did they explain the derelict ship? No, but I don't think that that is connected to um the xenomorph life that we saw grow on um this this planet here.
SPEAKER_02:Uh the reason being is that the well there's so much that's not explained that you know there's a possibility that the xenomorphs did evolve into the xenomorphs that we do have now, you know? That they evolved, like you said, that we kind of got like a proto face hugger, you know? Yeah. And then just maybe a di just down the line where where it was evolved, you know, the engineers evolving it into this kind of perfect killing machine. Cause I think that they were uh weren't they essentially created to take out the humans, I think?
SPEAKER_01:They don't really say, and I don't think that necessarily the uh the xenomorphs were created specifically to take out the humans, but the black that they were using was a form of bioweapon that at least that's what the humans in the movie um understood it as, as a bioweapon that was going to be used on Earth. Like the that ship was going to Earth next, basically. So my understanding um of this ship that was, you know, crash-landed, or not crash-landed, but had been docked on this planet LV223, versus the one that was docked, or the one that had been, you know, destroyed and crashed on LV426 in the first alien movie, they've both been basically uh fossilized for thousands of years. That's it that's a line in the first movie um where the the captain Dallas he goes, uh looks like it's been here for a long time, fossilized, you know. So I I think that's been there, and and the alien eggs have probably been there for thousands of years. So I think though the engineers had the black goo separately, you know, and they were sending it to different places, perhaps, and created the xenomorphs separately. And these are two different strains of xenomorphs. That's that's how I'm interpreting it. I don't think that the the proto-xenomorph that was in this movie went to LV426, but it's possible. I I I can't say that it's not possible, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, no, I don't think that that version of the xenomorph did, but like you said, it was many years between this moment or the xenomorphs, I guess. I yeah, I I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:It's it it could have cause how it's about 30 years between um Prometheus and the first alien.
SPEAKER_02:In the first movie? Okay, so I mean like you said, or I mean something something that that's been very much so apparent throughout the mov or throughout each movie is that xenomorphs are different, and the reason why we got this xenomorph could have been because of the the series or that type of xenomorph in Prometheus was really the series of events that happened in this movie. Like the the creature was in like a bunch of beings, so like taking on different aspects, so it got on some human aspects, and then it also got on like the engineer, so like it took on different like they always take on, you know, they're xenomorphs, they take on aspects of their they're almost parasitic, they take on the aspects of their host, you know?
SPEAKER_01:And oh there there is actually something in this movie that made me pause because so we know that these engineers have been basically dead for 2,000 years or so, right? They've they've been dead for millennia, but their corpses show they they tell a story. And when that that one guy, I for the the guy who likes rocks or whatever, um, he goes and and and looks at one of the corpses, he says that the chest has been almost exploded open. That's basically a xenomorph, you know? So thousands of years ago, there was a xenomorph that exploded out of a chest of that guy. Could that have potentially led to what happened uh on that other planet? Could that have like eventually seated another another ship or whatever? I don't know. But that's that could have been.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, but that was a could have bursted out of her chest had she not extracted it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, no, it definitely was going to burst. It was gonna be a burst or but um it would have definitely taken a different shape than the xenomorph. It didn't it only became kind of a xenomorph after it went through an engineer. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, because uh that that goo didn't originally make a xenomorph in uh with either Ellie or Charlie. It made that like gigantic face hugger thing, you know? Um that was like a like a squid almost. So, dude, we're talking in circles here. This movie's crazy. It's there's so much there's there's also like a mural in the background of that room, uh, that like uh the the vase room that has almost like the HR Geiger like design of like aliens in the background, you know. So like it's possible they worship these things. Um I don't know. I don't know. Uh it's it's a really bizarre, really bizarre movie. What did we think of the uh Peter Wayland, you know, being aboard the Prometheus to uh extend his life by meeting his creator? What uh Rich, let's bring it over to you.
SPEAKER_03:I mean it reminded me a little bit of like the in the Wolverine movie, uh where he uh Oh yeah, the guy is trying to Yoshida is trying to you know live longer and yeah, it kind of seems like a kindly old man, but but really isn't uh you know, and uh you're kind of just desperate, and uh the the little power play with him and uh Charlie Stheron thinks it's his daughter or his granddaughter, a daughter, right? Daughter, yeah. Right. Which the age gap is a little odd, but um crazier things have happened, you know, and it it it I that worked for me, actually. I I actually that's one part of the movie that I didn't it felt like it like it should be in an alien movie, like it it felt like it it it it belonged to the franchise, you know, finally seeing because it's just it's it's a different type of greed.
SPEAKER_01:It's not necessarily corporate greed. It wasn't like the company going to use this for their weapons division. This is just uh this guy wants to live forever.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean he'll be king forever.
SPEAKER_01:6767. What's up with kids in 6'7? What is what is this?
SPEAKER_03:Literally doesn't mean anything, but I'm not gonna lie to you, as a teacher who often has to count, or even as a track coach or you know, count the kids on the bus, and there is a palatable excitement in the air when you're counting and you're just like one, two, three, four, five, and then you're like six seven, and they're like six seven, and they just can't and it and and honestly, there's such a joy that they have doing it, you know, that I I even like I put up a homework assignment and I I made it do at six oh seven, and they're like they're like, what time is it due? And one kid's like six oh seven, and they're like, he did it on purpose, you know. So that's funny. That's funny.
SPEAKER_01:Um oh uh Anthony, you mentioned something basically like why why it took them so long to or maybe Rich, you asked, um why why it took the company so long to like research for these things. Yeah. Technically, nobody nobody in this movie saw what ended up coming out of the engineer, like they were all long gone by the time a xenomorph showed up onto the scene. They just saw a big uh squid-like creature and uh a crazy engineer out of time, you know, and fair.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, so it's like how did they know that they were wep like something that they would want to weaponize in the first one?
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's a good question. Um, and it's possible.
SPEAKER_02:How would you know? You know, they and they went there and they thought there were fossils.
SPEAKER_01:So that could be answered in the next movie? That that could be answered in Covenant. I don't I don't know. But it also could be answered in Alien Earth, um, which I've only seen the first episode of. I've basically, you know, just kept away from it, uh, kept out of the spoiler loop with with that one. So, you know, in a couple weeks' time we will have a little bit more information about, but hopefully a little bit more information about why the company even knows about these things to begin with, because they did put Ash on board that ship so that they could rendezvous at that planet, LD426, to take that creature home, basically for the weapons division. That's that's something that's canonical. We don't know how they knew or why they waited 57 years after that to try again, but yeah. So uh crazy movie. I did like that Peter Whalen just got the lights knocked out of him. I don't know why. I just thought, you know, like that was just such a funny scene. This guy just like I just woke up, leave me alone.
SPEAKER_02:It was like it and the thing is, it's like it's ironic. Like, this man came to this place to extend his life, immediately ended it. Dude, seriously.
SPEAKER_01:I did like I did like why am I calling him Brian? Uh David. I did like David a lot. Um obviously he was cruel and manipulative and did some weird stuff, uh, you know, drugging people's drinks and like doing crazy tests on people. But he's he's got a weird charm, you know. I hope You can really let a lot go, man. Like the I can let a lot go with this one. Like this, I I kind of like him, you know. I hope I hope we see him in the next one. Like if he's not in this, and also like his motiv like I so like I his motivations were specifically to find something that would extend the life of Peter Wade.
SPEAKER_03:Why did he why did he oh was he just testing it out on uh what's that guy's name? I can't remember it. It's such a forgettable name. Uh Charlie, yeah. Is that why he put it into Charlie's drink, just to test it out?
SPEAKER_01:I think so. Yeah. I mean, uh the the alternative is he's just a cruel, cruel alien or android robot thing.
SPEAKER_03:Um gives me he gives me a uh what's the guy's character Vit from uh what's uh I can't uh the man with the Mr. Manhattan.
SPEAKER_01:Uh oh uh you're you're talking about um the watchman.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's V or something like that. V Eussie Ozzy Mandy's Mandy's yeah. Uh Vit is the company. Oh, that's what it is. Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It just gives me the he kind of gives me those vibes. Like he's uh very, very manipulative behind the scenes.
SPEAKER_01:Guys, do we have anything else to say about Prometheus? Um before we we give our final thoughts on the movie.
SPEAKER_02:I do want to know where you place it in your uh top MCU film.
SPEAKER_01:I love this bit. I don't know if it cracks my top three, but maybe top five MCU movies, you know? Right behind right behind Love and Thunder.
SPEAKER_03:I still like that movie a little bit. I won't lie.
SPEAKER_02:You know, j just be I I think that um Prometheus, you know, it's it's an interesting movie. Um I mean you you can still see a little a bit of the connection to the alien universe but it really does get deep into like the religious and kind of philosophical aspects. Maybe a little bit too much for me. And you know it's those moments that kind of pull me out of the film. But I mean dude at least Ridley Scott is consistent. Because it feels like a Ridley Scott movie. And you know it's the pacing and everything is there so you know it's not you know I I don't it's definitely nowhere near it like I I wouldn't even call it's not a bad movie. Resurrection is a bad movie. This is a good movie it's just a different type of good.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah it's it's uh it's almost it's so pensive and esoteric I guess and it it it asks so many questions and it's perhaps too big for its bridges you know it's probably trying to answer too much in one movie. But I do like it, you know I think it's probably I don't know if I like Alien or aliens more. They're probably equal for me and I I would say that this is right behind both of those. So I would say it's probably number three in my ranking so far. But fifth in MCU rankings.
SPEAKER_03:Apologies my ranking yeah I uh oh I want to hear your ranking actually let's do this so let's see how many have we watched five we this is five now I'm gonna give the list in the audience another little Easter a little another little little treat out of five six seven I don't know we're gonna have to see the next one alright because right now it is I like our audience gonna understand that I like resurrection more than I like this movie. No way that that that that is it's crazy it's an opinion but it's a wild one you know what it is it's valid it's valid it's wrong though I mean I could be wrong but you know what it is you guys you guys dude they they blew up a portion of Africa in the end of that one okay also it literally made no sense okay fine fine nothing nothing at least look Prometheus at least the stuff in Prometheus was like it was really philosophical but at least it made sense nothing in resurrection made sense at all does it make sense that the project that the the engineers right who are who are more advanced than the human civilization don't have a ship that can protect from another ship from from earth these lowly ants crashing into it and destroying it I mean that's kind of it's it's it's kind of like a based on this necessity like did they necessarily need a ship like we don't know yeah we we've never encountered any other spacefaring creatures uh or species so it's it's possible but maybe the maybe the engineer just hadn't turned on all the features of his of his like special ship you know like he was just he was just getting ready to launch it out of atmosphere he had he didn't turn on the the shields yet listen I hope that all these questions that I have are answered when we find the lost arc all right like when we when we finally find the lost arc of the covenant in the next movie I think we will get some answers.
SPEAKER_02:Look look at least you can rejoice in the fact that Ripley is back in the next movie. Well she's already been resurrected it's time to give her a covenant I mean if you're gonna resurrect somebody you know why would you just resurrect her from one movie?
SPEAKER_01:You gotta bring it to one to another No but what's cool about this one is that it's a it's still a prequel so it's it's uh it's I think it's only a decade before Alien. Maybe oh so we were gonna see Riley this is exciting because it's 16 it's 16 years before no 18 years before Alien.
SPEAKER_03:So she's she's very young but yeah she's alive thank you guys I'm very excited next week then to join you guys again to talk about the return of Riley I mean Ripley yeah right Riley is in resurrection yes yeah I forgot about it we haven't gotten to we haven't gotten to Riley it's gotta be uh what's it 200 250 years?
SPEAKER_01:Oh it's yeah it's it's a while oh guys uh let's let's uh let's bring this podcast to a close um I enjoyed it Anthony enjoyed it Rich thinks it's worse than resurrection but you know what that's still top five there's a possibility that it'll you know it'll be higher than the next one technically it is top five how you squeak that one in by based on technicality me being positive whatever if the kids are in a race of five kids and the kid comes in last I'm like well listen man five's pretty good you know like out of five like you still you finished it you know congratulations you don't get a you don't get a a trophy you might get a ribbon but yeah guys uh thank you so much for listening to us here for our 135th episode of Project Geekology again if you haven't given us a juicy review we request sir or madam a five star juicy review as juicy if not more juicy uh than that uh engineer head that just went kablooey but anyway guys uh if you want to check out any of our socials be sure to check down into our show notes for more follow us on Twitter where we do most of our posting here and yeah bye guys bye the walry still collating
