Project Geekology
Embark on an epic journey with Anthony and Dakota as they delve into the vast realms of geek culture, from cherished classics to cutting-edge creations. Join us for an exhilarating adventure of exploration and nostalgia, as we unearth hidden gems and reminisce about the moments that have shaped us. Welcome to the ultimate celebration of all things geeky!
Project Geekology
Star Wars: Skeleton Crew - Part 2
Ever wondered how a simple fantasy journey could morph into a compelling narrative of character growth and mystery? Join Anthony and Dakota with our insightful long-term guest/co-host Rich as we dissect the second half of the first season of "Skeleton Crew," exploring the profound character arcs of Fern, KB, Neil, and Wim as they navigate a world of sci-fi wonders and moral dilemmas. Our conversation reveals the ingenious use of stop-motion animation that weaves magic into storytelling, leaving us eagerly anticipating the potential for more adventures in this universe. Alongside, we pay homage to the legendary David Lynch, whose creative brilliance in projects like "Twin Peaks" lingers in our minds, sparking a discussion about his indelible impact on film and our personal reflections on his work.
As we navigate through the geek culture landscape, we ponder the tantalizing possibilities within the Avatar universe, speculating on the significance of Korra as the 99th Avatar and the looming 100th Earth Avatar. Rich shares his thoughts on Jod Na Nawood from "Skeleton Crew," delving into his complex persona that intrigues and mystifies us. Our journey doesn't stop there; we venture into hidden planets and societal structures within the Star Wars universe, drawing parallels with M. Night Shyamalan's "The Village" and contemplating themes of freedom, control, and the cost of secrecy. Our imaginations run wild as we tease apart these rich narratives, yearning for more depth and clarity.
And what's a geek-culture deep dive without a touch of humor and gaming strategy? Anthony shares his recent binge of "Squid Game" Season 2 and takes us into the gaming realm with his experiences in "Marvel Rivals," experimenting with characters like Peni Parker and Wolverine. Join us as we celebrate the standalone charm of "Skeleton Crew," while hoping for more serialized Star Wars content that will keep us on the edge of our seats.
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Welcome all to episode 108 of Project Geekology, and guess what we have found At-At-An? Finally, after a long, arduous journey? I am Anthony, one half of your host, and joining me, as always, is Dakota.
Speaker 2:And I still can't remember no At-At-An.
Speaker 1:But then if you do, then you have to like tear us from. You know, limb?
Speaker 2:yeah limb, limb from limb.
Speaker 3:We are also joined, as always, with our our co-host, slash long-term guest rich hey, buddy, hey, thanks for having me guys super excited to be here finally get to kind of. You know, I feel like this show was like the at-at-in of our lives because it gave us. It was just a never-ending source of treasure yes, I love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's that was very deep rich.
Speaker 3:Thank you, that's what they call me.
Speaker 2:They call me that's what they call me deep rich, deep rich yeah, I, I'm excited to talk about these final four episodes of the first season of skeleton crew. So, you know, apparently this was only billed as a limited series but they do have plans for a second season if the show takes off and it makes enough money for it to be, you know, a sustainable thing to keep on their you know programming slate. But yeah, so I, I'm interested to see where they go with these, with this show, with these characters, if it doesn't end up as a second season, like I would love to see where these characters go, because we have so many great characters that we've met over the course of these eight episodes and I'm excited to talk about, like, how they have kind of evolved into the roles that they eventually do by the end of the season. So you know what, before we get into any of that, anthony, what have you been up to this past week?
Speaker 1:Well, I so. I finally finished watching season two of Squid Game. Nice, and for those of you that have seen season two of Squid Game, it leaves you off on a cliffhanger. So, and Squid Game is big enough where, like it, absolutely will get another season, if you know, if the story's there oh yeah, it's already slotted for a season three that's supposed to be coming out at the end of this year, I think okay, so it's probably already like in the process of being produced and and that it's going to be the last season, the third and last season, so like after that they're going to be done, which I guess you know I could say that's a good thing.
Speaker 1:They could have left it off with just the one season, but since they left this one off on a cliffhanger, we definitely need to see, like, how it all ends. But so I had finished that and I've been playing a lot of marvel rivals, man, like just going crazy on it, dude, just you know, trying to get better with some of the characters. I just like this. It's the same thing with with what I did with Overwatch. I'll like kind of stick with the character for a little while and then I'll hop on another one and then, like, once I kind of understand at least the basics and the gist of like how a character is played, then I'll like hop onto another character. There's certain characters that I might not really care for or that I don't want to really play all the time.
Speaker 1:In Overwatch, like Tracer was one of those characters that I had played for a little bit but weren't like a long term character for me. I would say Spider-Man and Star-Lord. Those are those kind of characters that you have to like, really like, jump in and jump out, and I'm not too much of a fan of that. I do like to play psylocke a little bit. I've been trying to get better with her. Interesting, okay, yeah. Yeah, I want to play. I mean I'm I'm pretty good with penny parker. I'll say that, like I'm solid with penny parker and if I'm not doing well with her as a tank, then I'll swap to groot and groot's just like an absolute, just like monster like he. He has a lot of health and he can do enough damage, like he does pretty well damage. He puts up these walls that he has like two different types of walls one's like a solid wall and one like has these vines that come out. So it's fun, it's a. It's a fun game.
Speaker 3:I, I enjoy it you should definitely hop on it. You never talk about a certain character that gets mentioned almost every episode. I think dakota.
Speaker 1:It's one of maybe a character's name that you love saying oh yeah yeah, we haven't actually talked about the wolverine in a little while I actually messed around with wolverine for the first time like the other day, and I mean I I can kind of see the appeal if you're, if you're getting like healed like pretty well or like heal bodied, which, like you know, you're just getting constantly healed, yeah you can, you could do some damage you could throw down, but I don't know, I I just like I liked characters like cloak and dagger, invisible woman's like pretty fun. But yeah, penny and and psylocke, I've been trying to like open up my you know I'm like a jack of all trades. I got that. I'm like that in overwatch. I'm trying to be like that a little bit in this game. You know I can play them all but like I'm not a master of any of them, you know you're a jack of all trades, master of none, none.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, except for like maybe like I wouldn't say I'm a master at Penny, but like that's like one of my like, more solid picks, like when I'm like picking up Penny, we're most likely going to win.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Whoa, it's all order. It's all order, but then like if the team around me is like, it's still like a team game, though you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep you doing anything else besides, besides those things?
Speaker 1:No, well, I mean, you know a little bit odds and ends here and there, but nothing too big. How about you, dakota? What have you been up to?
Speaker 2:A couple things Crazy, you know week we've had.
Speaker 1:Let's see oh, it did snow in Florida, did you see that? Yeah, oh, it did snow in florida, did you see that?
Speaker 2:north florida, I did. Yeah, yo, you guys got eight inches like pretty heavy dude which is double what you've like.
Speaker 1:Double the record of snowfall accumulation in florida ever crazy um yeah, you're southern florida, so it's been warm for you right, right, but still like, nice enough, like 50s, 60s, okay. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah. Places like Louisiana and like Northern Florida got super snow, like a lot of snow. I mean for them, you know like when, when you've never seen snow in your life and you're 50 years old and you finally have like a foot of snow outside, that's crazy. So I have had fun watching those like just TikTok videos of people experiencing snow for the first time and just being super excited about that, of which tiktok was banned very briefly, and then you know, donald trump supposedly, uh, brought it back, though that's what the app said. So that was interesting, yeah, and what's weird about that actually?
Speaker 1:it had a cascade effect.
Speaker 2:It had a cascade effect. Yeah, you mentioned that you were trying to play marvel snap and you were not able to get online with Marvel Snap. A couple apps just shut down because they were using that.
Speaker 1:UI right. There was a few mobile games that definitely got messed up because of the ban, marvel Snap most notably, and then there's another League of Legends-style game called Mobile Legends that also got swept into all that. I'm trying to think of what else? But like I thought that was crazy. I was like, oh my gosh, you don't think about like what's kind of wrapped up into a situation until that situation happens, and then, like that, you see the cascade of everything. Not everything is like a clean break, you know yeah, what else have I?
Speaker 2:I have? I figured out exactly how many avatars there have been. The math finally like checked into place. The math mathed and I, you know, I was on my way home and a light bulb came off and I was just like, what do I do? Do I write this down on my phone? What do I like? I figured it out in my head as I was like listening to some podcasts or whatever so to number the exact amount of avatars that there have ever been.
Speaker 2:There's a huge hint on like the avatar studios website where on their official timeline they say that there are over 90 avatars between the the eras of wan, but which is the first avatar, and Yang Chen, which is the air avatar before Aang, like four generations before Aang. So in my head it was just like, okay, wan, then there's at least 90 avatars between them they don't really give a hard number and then Yang Chen, and then you can count the rest up and maybe that leads to Korra being number 97. It didn't really sit right with me. It didn't make much sense. I was just like it's kind of weird that they didn't give us like a hard number. But then I realized, wait, the avatar cycle goes in sets of four. You know like there's always a fire avatar, then there's an air avatar, then there's a water avatar and there's an earth avatar. The earth avatars are always the fourth one, so every 20th avatar will always be an.
Speaker 2:Earth avatar and I, you know, I counted up from there and I was just like so, yang Chen, the closest past 90 plus 1 would be 94. So Yang Chen has to be the 94th avatar, which means that Aang would be the 98th avatar, meaning Korra is 99. And whoever the Earth avatar is past that point will be avatar 100, which seems pretty significant. You know like I feel like they put that number into existence on purpose, so I thought that that was a pretty cool like I don't know. It was like a light bulb in my head while I was in the car. It's like wait a minute you could have pulled up his phone.
Speaker 2:He said hey, sir, you remember this yeah, I pretty much did, so that's pretty cool. I almost want to make a short video like exactly how many avatars have there been, because I feel like I've figured it out.
Speaker 1:And then the avatar studios are going to hit you up and bring you on for the lore. Wouldn't that be awesome, do it?
Speaker 2:Hey, I would love it.
Speaker 1:You better take me with you.
Speaker 2:I'll take you, I'll take you down. So let's see what else have we been up to? I've been watching a lot of Twin Peaks, so oh dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, last episode we were talking about what we're going to be covering next week, which is the Boy and the Heron, which is Miyazaki's latest film, and I mentioned that it's David Lynch-esque in the sense that, you know, it's way more introspective than most of Miyazaki's output. It definitely requires multiple watches to understand, but ultimately it's more about feeling than understanding. And yeah, so I mentioned David Lynch and that the very day that we recorded that, david Lynch actually passed away, I guess that night. So that was passed away, I guess that night. So that was really just a weird coincidence and that was wild it was wild and the internet's still reeling from it.
Speaker 2:Like if you're on, like film twitter, everyone's been talking about it for over a week, just like how I guess huge this guy was for the you know, the the film scene. And yeah, he was one of my favorite directors, just like subcon like I don't even think. And yeah, he was one of my favorite directors, just like subcontractors Like I don't even think that I would have named him within my top directors. But you know, going through that list of films that I've seen of his and the shows that he's been involved with, I've you know, I realized like dude, this guy was like a crazy genius, like none of his stuff makes any sense, but it's it you feel it like, and it's their films that will stick with you forever.
Speaker 2:And it's, you know, like you can watch an action movie and you're all you're like into it, for you know the entire length of the movie, but as soon as you leave the theater, that was nice, you know. And then there's movies that you know you watch and then you think about, like two years from now, like man, what happened? Like why did that guy do that? Like what was the purpose of this? And david lynch is like that, so uh we covered one of his movies we did.
Speaker 2:We covered probably his most mainstream or the the only like mainstream attempt to create a big budget blockbuster, which was dune. I think he was pressured into that after his success with eraser head and the elephant man, he he started getting a name for himself within the film industry so they pushed him into that movie and I don't think it was a good fit. I don't think he did a bad job with it. You know, like, considering the time and you know his style, it was a very unique rendition of the Dune book. But what's cool about that movie is that you know, that's how he got in touch with Kyle McLaughlin, the main actor who plays Paul Atreides in that movie, who eventually went on to star in his movie Blue Velvet, which is, you know, just a fantastic mind trip, and of course, Twin Peaks.
Speaker 2:He's the main character in Twin Peaks, Agent Cooper, and yeah, so I've been watching. I watched the entirety of the first season of Twin Peaks. Just phenomenal TV. It's probably the most accessible of David Lynch's output outside of Dune. I would say it's probably more accessible than Dune even.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Dune is a little bit on the trippier side too. I mean, dude, I remember watching that to cover it for this episode, and I'm like man, I still feel like I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, I still haven't seen.
Speaker 1:Twin Peaks and I actually really want to watch it. Is it available on any?
Speaker 2:streaming platform. It's on Prime Video. That's what I'm watching it on now.
Speaker 1:I need to get it to watch.
Speaker 2:Absolutely fantastic series. The first season is you know, it's often said that the sopranos is the first true prestige tv show. But I think that the sopranos wouldn't exist if it weren't for the serialized nature and scope of twin peaks. And, you know, even like the director of like sopranos and stuff like that will say, like that was like their biggest influence or one of their biggest influences. So, yeah, I was broken up about that big time, just seeing the outpouring of fans that love this stuff.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, it sucks, but he put an awesome, huge mark on the film landscape. So, seeing the tributes from Spielberg and Scorsese and all those directors who are, for all intents and purposes, I think, better directors in terms of like, you know, being able to craft like a completed story and just like a fully functioning narrative, they each basically suggest that like nobody will ever do it quite like David Lynch, because he was in my opinion. I think David Lynch was a madman, like I think he was actually like a crazy person. That was like he was either slated to be like an artistic genius or a bum in the streets of LA. You know.
Speaker 1:Like there was no in between, Like he was that guy. There was a fine line between. Somewhere in his life he went into the direction of being he got really lucky, he got really lucky yeah, now he's giving me this image of somebody with like wild hair that you know you're like. Oh, that's a director, but they look like a bum.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah I mean, if you, if you look up david lynch, like that's him, he's got the wild Einstein hair. He's awesome. Yeah, I love that guy.
Speaker 2:So yeah it sucks that we're never going to get any more from him, but yeah, he's done some amazing movies, even past Twin Peaks. He did Fire Walk With Me, he did Blue Velvet, he did Lost Highway. Mulholland Drive is my favorite of his movies, and there's more that I haven't even seen. So, yeah, it sucks, but they they also like brought Twin Peaks back for a third season 25 years later, and it's the craziest thing ever, because in the original show you have the character of Laura Palmer basically saying I'll see you in 25 years. And they actually did it. They actually like brought back the cast 25 years, like it's the.
Speaker 2:It's the trippiest thing ever yeah yeah, no, it's, it's good stuff. It sucks that he died, but he died pretty young. He was in his 70s. But yeah we move on, that's. That's what I've been up to this week. Sorry, I I kind of absconded with this portion of that. But rich what, what have you been up to, buddy?
Speaker 3:let's see. Well, just quick, I'll uh so kind of piggybacking what you were saying the next day at work. See, jen, she's like, oh, you see who died. And I'm like, oh yeah, mr baseball, you know, bob euchre. Wait, what who? I'm like we're not talking about the same person. So the next day, when it was, you know, the news that lynch had passed away came out. It also came out that is he's a pretty famous milwaukee's Brewers play-by-play commentary guy.
Speaker 3:He was in the movie's major league. If you've never even seen the movies, you may have seen Charlie Sheen's throwing a pitch and you hear just a bit outside, tried the corner and missed when Charlie Sheen walks, the bases loaded on 12 straight pitches. So he was there. I knew him also from watching him. He was like a guest ring announcer and guest interviewer for a couple of wrestlemanias and he played a very goofy part. So yeah, and he's been doing play-by-play for them until recently. So they call him mr baseball because he was actually very terrible at baseball, like. So the joke is that he's doing commentary. He knows everything about the game but he was actually really bad at it. So it's kind of a bummer to hear that he passed on, but you know, he was 90, so lived a good life. And then I, uh, I did the hard work, sirs, I did the hard work of dragon age veil guard.
Speaker 2:Oh yo tell us about it finally put it.
Speaker 3:I uh, so the I think I told you guys. I think I told you guys last week that I was about to go finish it. So I got off played another hour and a half, then ended up playing another three hours the next day before it was actually finished. The last mission tells you this is the last mission. You cannot go back after this point.
Speaker 2:So I'm like all right, it does say that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then you're a good four hours away like I was a little frustrated, I won't lie, not because I didn't enjoy it, but it was just you, you know this. Like you know you're sitting there, your wife wants to watch something. You know you're like I'm almost done with it. It's, it's almost done, I swear. You know, like I. I remember thinking the same thing when I was playing red Dead and an author dies. You know I'm like, oh, it's over, there, it goes. I'm like, all right, babe, just give me a minute. They're wrapping up. I'm going to hit the credits right now and I'm like wait a minute. Epilogue what I got to make my own ranch.
Speaker 2:You know, like, oh, you know so, so wait, is there? No, if you don't have four hours left before that, like final quest, can you save your progress anywhere and just like come back to it later?
Speaker 3:Oh, I mean of course. But you know, that's not what you know Rich would do. I was ready, you know. You tell me it's the last mission, like I'm ready to go, it's the end for me.
Speaker 3:So I was ready for the end, so I did have to stop. You know, of the uh cutscene animation. I mean just the graphics are great, but the cutscene animation with the uh they have like basically dragons, it was really cool and just kind of you know it's it's definitely a bioware game. And then I don't know if you've ever played the mass effect series, but you definitely have this like hurtling towards the end and you have to figure out where you're going to put your friends.
Speaker 3:So that they're they're safe as the final battle emerges and if you you, if you put the wrong person in the wrong spot, you risk losing them forever. So I highly recommend it. It's definitely a fun game, definitely a nice break from a lot of the sandbox games I was playing. This one is a little bit more restrictive, but I think the stories and the companion quests make it really worthwhile.
Speaker 2:Awesome man, Nice Shall we jump into our discussion of the final four episodes of Skeleton Crew.
Speaker 1:I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 2:I think you are right. So last week I mentioned the name of Jod as Jod-Na-Na-Heel, but I think I was thinking of Neil when I said that, because it's not actually his name in the show. He calls himself Jod Na Nawud.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But what's interesting is that he goes by many names. Like pretty much everywhere he goes he picks up another name. So no one. We don't know if Jod is actually his real name, but it might be. It kind of feels like it is. You know, he also goes by Crimson Jack Dash Zenton, professor Umium Gor, crimson jack dash zentin, professor umium gorlocks. That was, you know, like on the the spa planet, the emissary in the final two episodes, and then jodwick zank. Also there's mad captain silvo, so he's got like what?
Speaker 1:eight names and it's hard.
Speaker 2:We know of yes, he's basically anatar yeah that we know of. Yeah, exactly like if there was other people, I'm sure that they would also have like crazy names for him. What did we think? So last last week, rich and I had seen the final couple episodes, but, anthony, you had not seen them at that point. What are your thoughts now about jod versus? You know, like having seen them as opposed to like what you had said last week?
Speaker 1:right. So jod definitely is like out for himself. You know he could have I don't know who his master was. You know, like I mean he did say that that they were hunted down. So I mean apparently so. Like I mean he started off as a jedi, but we don't know, like we don't know what he did, you know, from that time up until where we got him, you know, as a pirate. So he, I don't know, I feel like he very well could have been a sith at some point, you know, or a type of inquisitor, because there is a little bit of ruthlessness there.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean like, yeah, he, he goes from kind of this like enjoyable character to this guy, like yo, this guy sucks yeah, like he, he goes from, like you know, zero to a hundred on like the pure villain scale really quickly, like as soon as he takes control of the situation and starts getting what he wants and starts being really manipulative. It's, it's pretty much just him in for himself right, right, but the breadcrumbs are there.
Speaker 1:Everybody was literally like don't trust this guy. Every single person. The bounty hunter I forgot her name. The owl character, kim kim, you're right. So, like I mean, she was the same way, like literally everybody was saying that and you know, I was thinking like, okay, I didn't think that he was gonna be like that ruthless though, you know, yeah so watching it a second time through, I was looking out for any particular regret or you know any, any redeeming qualities in jod and there's not many.
Speaker 2:But he clearly does not want to harm the kids. Watching it a second time it's clear that that is never his goal. And even when there's a moment when one of the kids, kb, is thought to be like dead or harmed, you know he kind of like grimaces and he's just like doesn't have to be this way. You know, like he doesn't want the kids to be hurt, because I think he has some empathy for them. He actually, you know, while he is kind of annoyed, you know, by most of their, he's annoyed by them most of the time I think he does care for them and not he doesn't want to see them physically harmed, which I guess was, you know, apparent to me on a second viewing. But rich, did you get the same read on that, or am? I am jumping to conclusions there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean. So one of the things I noticed was, for example I don't know, maybe just me, I mean probably a lot of people the moment where I felt most I guess quote unquote betrayed by Jod was when he yelled at the kids, like when he kind of takes control back over and he cuts off SM-33's head and he's like you, you know, you're incessant jabbering, jabbering, jabbering, jabbering. Like I thought the meanest thing he did was actually that overall, I thought the entire time there is that thread that he doesn't want harm for them, and even even in the seed where you know he takes out the supervisor. I don't know, I mean maybe I've been I just finished watching the prequel trilogy maybe I'm desensitized to robot violence because like that doesn't terribly bother me altogether. I didn't think that the supervisor was a benevolent being of any sort for the people, of that.
Speaker 3:So at the end, like I think that he's not altogether that terrible. I don't know if I could see him being an Inquisitor, like I really do see him being more like a jaded Padawan, you know, somebody who kind of lost their way and found their way with pirates. Like I don't think, and especially because at that time, like I'm thinking of like Cal Kestis, like trying to kind of like stay quiet with your force power because nobody wanted to kind of reveal themselves in a time where the inquisitors could come after them. But you know, I could see how, like his, his little quirky abilities could help him like turn turn the tide in certain sticky situations. That would make him good as a pirate.
Speaker 3:So I feel like there was just so many opportunities for him to be worse yeah, I, I like, I like what you're saying there.
Speaker 2:So, behind the scenes, photos have dropped of an unnamed Jedi female for Skeleton Crew and supposedly this was like they had filmed a whole sequence of her and a young Jod basically being mowed down by Inquisitors. So that was something that was filmed. The actress's name is Yasmeen Al-Masri. The actress's name is Yasmeen Al-Masri and she said in an Instagram post that she portrayed Jod's master in a flashback scene that was ultimately omitted from the final cut of the series. She actually posted like pictures of her costume and everything and it actually looks really cool.
Speaker 3:But why do we do this stuff? I don't understand. I know, like Disney, you're not even competing with anybody Like, stop making our episodes short. You know what If you're not even competing?
Speaker 3:with anybody Like, stop making our episodes short. You know what? If you're going to erase my books, okay, listen. Okay, I'm very upset that the Lady Luck all right, lando Calrissian's luxury all right ship is no longer a real thing, all right. And if you're going to do things like that, erase things like the Lady Luck from existence, then give us the backstory. I mean, now we're going to have to wait to decide if Disney's like well, is it worth doing another series for us to possibly even know and then even then, John's might even be there.
Speaker 3:There's going to be another, I don't know why there'll? Be another skeleton crew. It'd be like home alone too, Like I guess we did it again.
Speaker 1:you know we found another treasure planet but yeah, that that I was thinking that same thing, that I just wish that they had kind of elaborated a little bit more on that because I mean to be honest, like jod is still largely a mystery.
Speaker 2:We, yeah, nobody really we don't even know his full name. We don't know his true name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't even know if his name really is jod, you know. We just know that he has some sort of force sensitivity, some sort of jedi training. But like nothing about his past, I really do wish that they would have shown that sequence. That actually would have been a really good cold open. That would have been cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and then. And then cut to like silvo as a pirate. Yeah, yeah, I think that would actually be pretty sweet.
Speaker 1:Yeah him kind of like you know that, like grizzled kind of look that he has on his face, you know, with the kids annoying him in the background.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that would have been really cool. Yeah, that actually would have been really cool. So another thing that I noticed that I really liked just the small gestures that he makes in the final episode. When he realizes that he's beat, he almost kind of like smirks a little bit, he gives a little like all right, okay, almost as though he's proud of the kids. And when he sees he's watching the giant pirate freighter crash into the planet, he does smirk again and you could tell that he's proud of the kids, for you know beating him at his own game. Hell, that he's proud of the kids, for you know beating him at his own game, you know it's, it's a weird sort of like, it's a weird sort of pride that he develops for these kids that he basically returned safely somehow I mean, but then there's a whole.
Speaker 1:There's also the whole notion that he was about to enslave a whole planet to make those dataries for him oh, I know, I know yeah, there's that whole he's not a great guy.
Speaker 2:I'm not. I'm not advocating for that, but I don't think he's irredeemable is what I'm trying to suggest, I mean yeah, I don't know, maybe, maybe, but maybe enslaving an entire planet is is kind of how, how is that really changing their current situation? That's a good point. Yeah, because they currently are already a slave to the machine. Literally, they're a slave to the machine. They're forgotten worlds Like the New Republic doesn't even know they exist anymore. Let's talk a little bit about At-At and like what the heck? It is right.
Speaker 1:Very different than you know At-Akron Ohio.
Speaker 2:It's very different from Ohio, at least. It's interesting because they tell us that at Akron, at Akron, at Atten, was one of the jewels of the Republic. It's been supposedly, you know, lost. I mean, according to Jod, when he's talking to the pirates, he says something along the lines of like it's been a myth or a legend for centuries, you know, like it's been hiding behind this thing, this facade, for centuries. So that kind of makes me think, okay, so centuries, multiple hundred year periods.
Speaker 2:It could have been like something created in the, the, the high republic era. And you know that that link that we had last week, where you know they were talking about the great work you know, like that they were involved with, that could have something to do with the great works of the high republic era that you know could have culminated in something like this, like treasury, a mint, literally. It's a, a planet thats sole purpose is to mint all the public points. I think that that's, that's kind of neat. But then we find out that these planets later were mostly systematically destroyed, according to the Owl Lady Kim, and it's possible that it was those eight planets that you know like one of the planets at Akron could have potentially been one of those mints or something similar to it that was destroyed systematically for some unknown reason.
Speaker 2:But again, I'm jumping to conclusions here based on everything that we know and then you know, finally, we, we understand that this existed as part of the republic and as part of the republic consciousness. Someone in the republic was still in communication with ad atin at the time of order 66, which is when the final message they received from the republic happens and they, they found out that the Jedi were traitors. So for at least, if this is 9 ABY, you know what, 28 years have passed, 29 years since Order 66. So there's been no outside communication with the Republic. So most of the people working on Ad Atten have no understanding of what the outside world, or you know, like any of that, is. It's kind of, it's kind of a cool anomaly within star wars, like most of those people when they destroyed the barrier had never seen stars before it's like a whole truman show thing going on, except they weren't being watched they were being watched by the supervisor that's true, that's true
Speaker 3:yeah, it's disturbing to think, I mean, obviously, like we, we constantly kind of see even the good guy's side, you know, from a a different point of view. But I think this idea of this planet, that is, I mean that the children are indoctrinated and taught to not know what is happening outside, is, I mean, it's almost I don't call it worse than sleep. So I mean slavery is awful, right, but this is like slavery with mind control, right. I mean this is.
Speaker 2:But like how much? How much do the parents know, you know? Like how much do they know about the outside world?
Speaker 3:we do, know that they know. At one point fern was saying something along the lines of you know how it was on the outside, and her mom was like you know, you guys weren't supposed to have to learn about this stuff until you graduated so it's like I guess once they get, let's say they turn 18.
Speaker 3:But I don't get the idea that it's like you know, whereas the amish with the romspringer like all right, here's the outside world, go experience that you can come back here, it seems like all the adults, at least I'm reading it this way. So, to be fair, like this isn't 100 percent detailed, but I get the feeling that once the adults find out, they still dedicate themselves to the great work where it's not like some adults go leave the planet. I don't think that's an option. There's no, there seems to be no off-planet transport. They know of no off-planet transport. Right, they're all surprised that there's a ship on, on, at, at, and to begin with, so yeah you have to figure that for at least.
Speaker 3:Let's say since order 66 at least, that 28 years or so there they have also continued to kind of willfully live in ignorance so what?
Speaker 2:what's actually interesting? As you were describing that like that willful ignorance that you know, essentially like lying by omission to your kids until they're of a certain age. It reminds me of m night Shyamalan's the village. I don't know if you guys have ever seen the Village.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I had seen it with you when we were young.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that movie, but the basic premise is you know what I don't want to? Just in case anyone hasn't seen it.
Speaker 3:Oh, come on, I don't want to spoil it. No go, okay, all right, all right, all right, all right.
Speaker 2:So in the village you have I'm not going to give all of the spoilers, but I will say that you know it's a secluded village, literally in the woods. It's very like 1800s-ish attire and you know like their lifestyle is a little dated but every night they, you know, have to go indoors or else you know like there's the potential for like these, like creatures, these monsters in red cloaks, to come out and, you know, potentially kill you or kill your livestock and you know, it's.
Speaker 2:It's scary. At first You're like what are these? Like crazy monsters? And then you find out later that it was, you know, basically the parents in costumes, and they have have been. You know, just to keep them away from the real worlds, like the real world monsters out there, they've created fake monsters to keep their families safe, you know, and this is something that eventually they will have to impart to their, the next generation of kids, so that their community can continue thriving. And I guess it kind of, yeah, what you were saying about at, at, and about the economic and societal structure. It does seem a little bit like that to a degree. Maybe it's not like a safety measure, maybe it is, I don't know. Maybe, yeah, but the parents, they don't seem to. I don't know if it's like they're fearful of the outside galaxy or they physically cannot go there anyway, like, what's the point? You know, I don't know it's, it's a.
Speaker 1:It's an interesting parallel, though yeah, and you know, now that I think about it, like you know, we get a look at the vault and there's so many like credits in there. Dude, it's, there's, it's so much, which means that, like and there was like 1 800 of those vaults, like on the planet, like filled and which made me think that, like I don't think that any of these credits were leaving for like way more than those, like 20 something years that's yeah, that's very possible so you know, when you kind of said something about the high republic, because it doesn't make sense to me for there to have been value, because, like, when the pirates saw those old credits, they're like, oh my gosh, this is like, this can't be.
Speaker 1:There's no way that they were talking about the credits that were like 20 something years old. Like you know, something doesn't really should. This is gaining that much value, but something that's worth hundreds of years old, that you haven't seen for so long, or that, or you haven't been around to see at all. Now that's a treasure and if there's a lot of it, then yeah, you're going to be making money. So I think that those were high republic credits.
Speaker 3:But if like could be. It could be, yeah, if, if our new president decides to start minting new money with different people on it, you know, in 20 years, you know, someone goes whoa, is that a lincoln?
Speaker 1:I haven't seen. You know it's not a two dollar bill.
Speaker 3:You know, is that a burr? I haven't seen a burn forever. I don't know. Maybe it's like one of those things, because the emperor is definitely egotistical enough that the minute that they became the first galactic empire, he changed currency to have, like you know, his decrepit hand with lightning shooting out of it, you know, and then they kind of said that new republic because they're no, I think that they did.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure that they did change them, but the way that they got excited was it's like like a doubloon. It was like a doubloon right, exactly like that yeah, it was more like I'd be more excited to find pirate treasure than to find you know a dollar bill from from 1912, you know like look at this.
Speaker 3:Susan b anthony, I just found this. Yeah, exactly, I got the second joeya here, baby.
Speaker 1:That's essentially like what it kind of was. I think that Dakota was kind of on track. I mean, whether we could be right, we could be wrong, but I think that those credits are a lot older than the fall of the Republic as it stood. Okay, because you said the whole Great Works thing and then that was mentioned in the High Republic books. They't say anything about the great works and and anything in the high republic they do so.
Speaker 2:Another potential clue I don't know if this is like pro or against the you know like these are ancient doubloon type coins, is that jod, I think, once or twice mentions that they're old credits but they look like new. You know, like they're newly minted old credits, so it could just be that they haven't seen you know fresh credits like this, you know, in their lifetime. You know, but yeah, I, I do like.
Speaker 1:I do like the idea that this was these are, you know, credits that predate their lifespans by by you know, centuries, potentially it's kind of cool because it really would kind of follow that narrative of like a treasure, you know, I mean you never really think of. You know, like, when somebody thinks about, like you know, a whole bunch of money, you know and a bank vault, they're not calling that a treasure, they're just calling that maybe a loot or something like that. You know, if they go to like break into it, that that's like a loot, it's not a treasure. But like they're seeing these old, they're looking at these old credits, like they're like yeah, like somebody's paying with doubloons, you know.
Speaker 2:And also what's actually. You know you might be onto something, anthony, because they open up the in the very first episode with. You know, like Brutus and rudis and silvo, they commandeer that ship that supposedly has coins on it, or like a treasury, and they only find one credit, and I think it's a. It's a republic credit, but it had a different shape than the one. I mean it could be new republic credit, I don't know, but it had a different shape for sure, than the long rectangle ones that the kids are, you know, flashing around. So, yeah, you might, you might be onto something there. I think that's a pretty cool theory. Let's talk a little bit about the kids, though, because they go on quite the journey. In these eight episodes, and especially these last four, what do you feel, or who do you guys feel like I guess had the best arc? You know, not just in these four episodes, but like the entire series, like where, where do you guys rank these characters? Now that you've seen their full story?
Speaker 1:I'll start with you, anthony I really like fern and kb. I really just I feel like their characters are strong, they go through a lot and I feel like there's a lot that's learned, even with, like neil. I really feel like neil goes through a lot of like a whole like learning process and he really like faces his fears. You know, I like all of them but, like to me, I feel like out of all of them, whims was the weakest. I felt like his growth and his storyline was the weakest out of all of them. I felt like he had minimal growth. He had maybe a little bit, but he still was, you know, kind of whimsical and wanted this adventure and was upset that the adventure didn't really become what he wanted. But, like you know, I mean he's and then this adventure and was upset that the adventure didn't really become what he wanted.
Speaker 2:But, like you know, I mean he's, and then he was, and then he was all moody that it was coming to an end. Right, right and like the kids.
Speaker 1:You know the rest of the kids, it seemed like they all really like had a plan for the things that they wanted to do. You know whim, you know he kind of stepped it up a little bit at the ends but I still feel like his growth was the weakest. So if I, if I had to it's hard because I feel like fern and kb like really really have like strong growth. I mean maybe I would say maybe fern a little bit, because kb was already a little bit of a stronger character and had maybe a little bit more maturity. So maybe fern, kb, neil than whim okay, all right, all right rich.
Speaker 2:What do you think? Man overall character growth. How do you rank them?
Speaker 3:it's, almost I mean it's tough I hate to, uh, to bring this into it, you know, but as a teacher and a lifelong man child, I I will also say that it's almost unfair to compare the character growth of children to boys, to girls, even the same age, you know, even if they're exactly, even if we we assume, right.
Speaker 3:But even if we just know that they're all the same age, it's almost like listen, I teach high school boys, I teach seniors, right, a lot of the same stuff. But anyway I would have to say if you're gonna go with growth, it's gonna have to be KB for me overall, then it's I guess it ends up being Fern, just because you know, neil's growth kind of gets like stunted. It's like he grew and I think when he met like Haina, like that's a lot for him there, right, that was his big, like growth spurt and then he kind of just like leveled off a little bit where whim just became like at least like more coordinated right, like you know this, at the end it's like his big moment is that he holds the saber up the right way, like all of them have, like something they overcome and his thing?
Speaker 3:is his like like split screen moment, is it's like oh, last time he dropped the lightsaber, this time he's holding it the right way.
Speaker 2:You know, and I was, which was a cool shot, by the way. You know like it was it felt yeah you know, like he finally earned that moment of heroism. But yeah, no, I I'm with you guys. So I'm, I'm in the same boat where I think kb is probably my favorite and then neil and fern are tied there. But what I will say about whim you know, on on a rewatch is that I feel like he enters this story. Like you said, anthony whimsical, he's looking for his storybook adventure yeah he doesn't necessarily get that.
Speaker 2:He gets embroiled in a you know a plot with pirates.
Speaker 1:He gets kidnapped, he gets sent all over the galaxy and it's scary, you know, there's people who are ready to kill him at every turn yeah, he got the short end of that of that adventure stick because, like honestly, at the end of the day, not even us adults have that kind of thing going on in our lives but he definitely was a huge helping hand in saving the day.
Speaker 2:What I love is that these kids grew to a point that even their parents could not emulate in a moment of truth. Basically, as soon as the power went off, all the kids realized we need to do something. This is not good. Fern is in trouble.
Speaker 2:And KB, neil, kb and Neil first off. They immediately race off to Wim's house, tell him to get on a speeder bike and go. And all three of them, you know they immediately race off to Wim's house, tell him to get on a speeder bike and go. And all three of them, you know they have no reservations about doing the right thing at that point. And I think that that's super cool because they each have gotten to that point where, like, those limitations of like helping even though you could die potentially, are no longer a stumbling block to them, are no longer a stumbling block to them.
Speaker 2:So I I do think that whim did grow, especially, you know, in the eyes of his father, which is kind of important because the father like in the the first episode he was kind of a jerk to him like, yeah, isn't it time for you to grow up, buddy, come on like, and then, yeah, his father was taking, you know, orders from his son at that point, because the, the son was, you know, telling him like, oh, no, trust, just follow us and we'll, we'll get there, and you know, like it. I thought that that was a cool. In respect to their family dynamics, I think whim had the strongest oh, maybe not, maybe, fern, but anyway, like women, fern, they they probably had the strongest in terms of, like, getting their family on board and, you know, changing their perspectives on them as people, yeah, like the parents perspective of them.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, I, I'm going off no, no, no, I like you know, I like how, like what you're saying, that you know. As far as the family dynamic, relationship with their parents, I do believe that that Fern and Wim, that growth was definitely, it was like the strongest when it came to that dynamic. But for personal growth, and the reason why I put Fern Over KB Is because KB was already a strong, kind of mature individual. So I felt like Fern's growth Was big because she kind of had to get over herself, whereas oh, I like katie really didn't have to. She was already, you know she, she was already really willing to do whatever needed to be done. You know, you see, so at the ends with the, with the ship and so, but yeah, the whole family dynamic, I agree, I really did like the, the growth between whim and his father and fern and her mother, and I like that his father like joined them on the whole speeder bike thing.
Speaker 3:You know which was it was insane.
Speaker 1:I like it when they make that jump and he's like yo you see that that was really
Speaker 2:cool and whim's. Like dad. You're embarrassed.
Speaker 1:He's like look it's no time for that, let's go, but yeah what I will say. What I will say about kb she is my favorite, though she is.
Speaker 2:She is kb is my favorite she's so cool, she's, so, she's, she's, yeah, she's a badass. But what I will say about her growth?
Speaker 2:like her arc, she starts off as this very capable, I can do anything sort of you know young girl, especially because she has this, you know uh, cybernetic implant that allows her to just kind of it augments her reality you know, but what's fascinating and I think it's episode five or six, I think it's episode six where you know that the kids are trying to reclaim their ship on the, the spa planet and kb has this inner turmoil, you know where, like she doesn't want to say no to fern because, you know, fern is her best and only friend and she feels, like, you know, there are things that she cannot do, but she's lived her entire, you know, like, as far as we know, like their entire friendship has been Fern, daring her to do something and then she's able to do it.
Speaker 2:But there's certain things that she can't do and Fern, you know Fern, doesn't realize that she's not invincible and I think that character growth and that understanding and like being able to vocalize that to others is, you know, like, understanding your limitations, is a huge you feat for anyone, because some of us think that we're beyond limits, you know, and yeah that.
Speaker 2:That one scene, dude, where you know she, my favorite scene in the entire, the entire series is when her that I forget what what part it is, but like she, she has to take that cylinder out of the back of her head oh, she's like crashing out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was the moment with her and whim, her whim, separate from fern and neil just because they're they're like, you know, like one side thinks they're right about getting the ship and then the other side, when you know, wants to follow those like trash crabs when they're really actually like trash hermit crabs, but um yeah but yeah, like she, she's kind of crashing out because of that cylinder and she has to kind of like run whim through how to like do it?
Speaker 2:yeah, and it's such a powerful scene because, like you know, also like great acting on both of their parts, these are, these are two child actors. You know it amazed me. I was like on the verge of tears the first time I watched that scene and, you know, eventually, like kb, you know, took her breath and like she was able to like get up you got like a, she got like a second wind there.
Speaker 2:You said, she like popped right up she's like all right, it's like a new battery dude like seriously like that was crazy but it was. It was fantastic acting, it was fantastic scene and it was a. It was a great opportunity for two characters that don't necessarily interact that often to interact yeah, yeah, like it's usually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I did like that pairing off because it's usually women neil and kb and fern, so there there was definitely like a. They developed more of a friendship between those you know separate groups. I felt like that made that group stronger as a core because, like both they got to know each other, you know, and yeah, no, I agree, I think that was like really cool and it was almost like opposites in a way. You know, like Fern is this like very like strong. You know, go get them, let's go. And then Neil, very just, naive and scared of everything.
Speaker 2:he's willing to say sorry for everything I love that.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, why don't you? Just say sorry no, no, I agree. And that that scene of them getting the the ship back because it was getting sent to the junkyard, that was a really cool scene oh and and like the whole demolition button.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're like they, they basically get a whole new ship underneath their ship.
Speaker 1:Sick, I love it it was like a camouflage in a sense, because we find out what that ship is yeah, yeah, yeah, really really cool rich.
Speaker 2:Do you have any particular favorite scenes from the series?
Speaker 3:I mean, yeah, the the scene between women and kb was definitely an awesome one. I mean, you know, there's a part of me I was like, wow, is that that canister is really resistant to heat? That he's like, it's just. But you know, oh yeah, I know he was able to like hold, just accepted, just accepted to move on, just accepted, there's, there's a, there's another thing like in the show not to like.
Speaker 2:I'll let you get back to your point, but like. There's another like physics breaking thing thing that just bothers me so much. When Jad is in the Mint and he touches one of these credits and they all have this floaty aspect where they all fall like dominoes. No, this cannot possibly happen. The way that they're sitting, they're flat. This doesn't work. Do that on anything A million times, you'll never get that effect ever dakota.
Speaker 1:And and you know what I loved about that scene is that, like that's the type of scene that you would only see in like a movie or a tv show. Like that, you know, like with kids and you know, like pirates you would only see it and like I think that that camp is, like it, kind of added to that.
Speaker 1:Also, a scene that I really liked and it gave me heavy, heavy goonies vibes was when they went to captain renid's uh layer yes, yeah, that was cool, it it felt so much so like when they get to the ship at the ends of the goonies and they're like exploring the ship and they go into the captain's quarters and all stuff, like it really had that vibe and I'm like man, like this is, it was really fun, like that last bit of the the season. Really I feel like the show changes a lot, but like not in a bad way, in a good way, like it. It grows with the characters yeah, rich, sorry, let's.
Speaker 2:Let's get back to your favorite scenes. You're mentioning that the canister should have been too hot for whim to handle, but like it must have been a very insulated cylinder yeah, I mean, it definitely wasn't, you know, silver or something like that.
Speaker 3:The alloys has been one of the alloys. I uh, let me see. I mean you guys mentioned a number of them that I liked, so let me just try to pick something out that's maybe slightly different, even though I haven't seen it. They kind of like, when they're on the speeder bikes and the way the music's going, I got myself like I felt myself getting a little excited again, even though I knew exactly what was about to happen sure, yeah, you know which?
Speaker 2:it's an exciting final episode.
Speaker 3:You know it's, you know that's there aren't. You know they're obviously more in like lord of the rings and star wars, but there there are certain sequences that, no matter how many times I see them, even if I know what the outcome is, I still get excited. And so far, on my second, second watch of this, I feel the same way. So that's pretty cool, and I'm not sure let me see if there's another one. I I did, like you know it's weird. So in the scene where they press the button, they had just come back together, right, and there was a little bit like of kb kind of saying that she hadn't felt like she could tell fern.
Speaker 3:No, essentially right yeah and she goes. He said to never, ever, ever press that button. Fern, right, and fern's like yeah, but anyway, and it works right. But there was a part of me that was like y'all just were fighting like two minutes ago, fern, like you don't want to listen to kb's input, like maybe you really shouldn't push that button, uh you know, I mean.
Speaker 3:But again, I think it just reflects for me a lot of the nice foreshadowing that they do, just even the mystery of whether jod really is a Jedi, and that can have. I remember when Fern mentioned him using magnets Right, then I was like paying attention to him, was it? Oh, is it only metal stuff? Right, like they did that, the button obviously being something that was going to kind of come forward at some point later on. I thought I liked that foreshadowing and then I guess for just another scene, that, I guess, is weird, but the I don't remember his name.
Speaker 3:Oh, I think it's gunther the yes, right. Yeah the pirate, yeah the pirate. I just liked him sitting on the bridge, just kind of like I'm going down it was kind of like it was almost like this idea, like I'm never gonna be in this position again, like, like, this is my top, like I I am currently the standing captain on this bridge and damned if I run away from this position and I, uh, I kind of admire him for it yeah, I respect that.
Speaker 2:I respect that.
Speaker 1:That's what happened to steve urkel. After he left the show he became a pirate you know life, like family matters, got hard.
Speaker 2:So did you guys have a favorite episode? I, I will say that, like me, I was surprised because I liked pretty much every episode, but I loved the finale because basically everything that the kids learned they ended up using. We have KB piloting the ship so that they can get help from their new republic friends, and kim. We have neil, who was, you know, he never learned like actual combat training, but he did happen to figure out how to fire like an actual, like turret cannon, so that was like hugely helpful at defending them and everything that they learned across even like whim like what?
Speaker 2:the correct position of a lightsaber? Everything everything worked out to a degree where you know like everything they learned over the past seven episodes came together finally in this finale and I loved it yeah, and I think that I felt like the finale was it was both episode seven and eight, like it was almost like a two-parter you know, yeah, it definitely was, and no, I, I totally agree and I really thought it was cool when we got to see the barrier like what it really was and that it was like a it's like a perpetual storm and that it was.
Speaker 1:I thought it was insane that, like the planet was like in the middle of this huge space and that the barrier was like around it. Like I didn't realize that the barrier wasn't super, super close to the planet. There was a lot of space between the planet.
Speaker 2:The planet was actually pretty tiny compared to, like the gas giant.
Speaker 1:That they had to pass through. Huge. The thing was massive yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 2:all the little aspects of this show, like you were saying, anthony, like with the renald's lair being very gooniesish, like all the booby traps that they had to, you know, maneuver through the acid pool. I love all that stuff and there were some like really clever booby traps, like the one that, like you know, removes the gravity and like sends you up into those spikes. It's like the opposite of like a pit in the ground.
Speaker 3:You know it's a pit in the sky.
Speaker 2:I like that kind of stuff. There were so many great creatures throughout the show. I loved that. Catholops in the spa episode, like the the giant, like squid dude not, not cthulhu, his name is catholop dude I.
Speaker 1:I liked how kind of like chill he was. Like they're like, oh my god, they need help. They go in and they're just like telling him their story.
Speaker 2:They're telling and he's just like yeah great story, great tale.
Speaker 1:What about that giant trash crab?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, animation was kind of different right so it was stop motion.
Speaker 1:It was right, I, I thought it looked like a stop motion, like kind kind of. It was almost like a like old school Godzilla type of animation. You know that stop motion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so if you go online and look up like the trash crab stop motion thing, you'll see footage of like them like doing the stop motion for this thing and it's. It's so cool because everything's done in CGI nowadays and I feel like we're getting to that point where like things are going to start getting done with like cgi plus ai and it's just like we're losing that craft. So seeing them just inject this craft right back into it, like creating a stop motion physical monster for this it was all of like a five minute scene if that. Yeah, it wasn't even five minutes. Yeah, it was a very short-lived stop motion thing, but it was so cool and it you know, it probably didn't save them any money, like it probably would have been a lot cheaper to do cgi, but it looked cool yeah, like you could tell that it was a unique scene.
Speaker 1:So I was like, hmm, I said that's definitely not cg yeah, good eye good eye.
Speaker 2:Do we have anything else we want to talk about on this one? Are we? Are we coming to an end?
Speaker 3:I just really hope that this is something that I really hope they start to kind of plan projects in a way that are and I know this sounds I mean I don't, it's not my money, right, so they're never going to listen to me but just plan it out Like, okay, we're going to make this two, three seasons, you know whatever. Or if you're gonna do a one-off, just say it's gonna be a one-off and I'm fine with, I'm fine with them doing a short, like I know I don't want to get into an argument.
Speaker 1:Dakota, I'm sorry I I liked kenobi.
Speaker 3:All right, like I actually like it as a small thing, I, I just like it, it's, it's it, it's you're.
Speaker 2:I have no problems with you liking Kenobi dude Stop stop browbeating me about this.
Speaker 3:I know you don't like Kenobi All right. You're like the sister who's just so hell bent on killing Anakin All right, it's just. I don't mind there being something. That's just going to be a one-off and that's cool with me. But I also want to know that things are going to be three seasons and that it's not dependent on the first season success, because yes, like we've talked about prestige television.
Speaker 3:there are times where that first season doesn't hit as it's on tv and then, as it starts to get into that second or third season, people really start getting into it. So you know, like I want to have one series that's going to be six seasons and I just want to know that you're going to do that. You know, and I'll invest the next 10 years of my life to waiting for that series to end and it'll probably end like a wet fart, like Game of Thrones. But whatever, You'll have me for 10 years.
Speaker 2:Here, here, I love it. Yeah, no, I, I, that would be awesome. I would, I'm, I'm all here for it. I do think that we are going to be getting more serialized Star Wars contents on the on the big and small screen, especially with the Mandalorian and Grogu movie that's coming out. You know, linking into the world of the Mandoverse, which technically this show is linked to it. We have we have one of the pirates that showed up in mando season three popping up in this show. I think he was also in boba fett. I might be wrong there, but anyway, yeah, he's a recurring character like yellow, like a yellow guy right with like horns.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, okay, yeah so it's the same.
Speaker 2:It's the same pirate. I forget what his name is, I'll look it up later, but yeah, it is kind of all connected to that. So in a way we are getting serialized television on, kind of like a multiverse Not a multiverse, but like a universe level. I would like to see Mandalorian like more of just you know, like normal Mandalorian. I don't need anything, any huge stories or anything like that, but just him and Grogu like going on crazy adventures every week is fun.
Speaker 3:I love that. That's. It's simple. We need we need more of that. Yeah, um, so I'm on board did it. You know it's a thing like look, smallville ran for years and it was just like, hey, there's a new freak that was discovered that had, you know, got some of the kryptonite and look what they can do that first, that first season of small vote is that is like a hard rewatch for me.
Speaker 2:I mean, I I have such fond memories of all of those episodes separately, but watching them back to back to back is is so difficult because it's literally monster of the week, it's freak of the week yeah, and I think I think they actually make that joke in the show. I think Chloe does mention, I think she does, yeah, so, yeah, anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 1:But yeah. So the last thoughts on Skeleton Crew. I really enjoy it. I really do hope that we get more out of it, if not a second season, something you know, a novel or whatever that I mean I don't know about. Like the kids, I feel like the kids are kind of like situated well, but like I want to understand more about the backstory of jod, like I want to know how he got to where he got. Like I want to, I want to get that young jod where you know the whole order 66 thing happens and stuff. I want to. You know I either see it on the show or read it in a novel, something.
Speaker 2:Okay. So here's. Here's an interesting question for you guys Would you rather a skeleton crew season two following those four kids, or a skeleton, a skeleton crew season two following Jod, as he's broken out of another prison and he has to. You know he's he's on the search for some other treasure. I think it would be fun. Yeah, I think it has to be john.
Speaker 3:I look, I mean they, like the kids, are the kids, you know. But you know they're probably gonna go back to school and it's gonna, they're gonna be hard assessment yeah, you know they're gonna have some crazy what are they gonna go down to the max and have some burgers?
Speaker 3:I don't know I think it's, it's john or you know, because star wars always does this. Oh, you know what that really worked and we had a really interesting character, so, but we really missed it and we really should have told his backstory too. So we're gonna go back and do that now, so they could always do like a flashback series of Jod's previous how he got to where he is, because I don't know if his prospects going forward are especially fantastic.
Speaker 2:Hey, people have definitely broken out of New Republic prisons in the past. So it's not unheard of.
Speaker 1:There's a whole episode of the Mandalorian in season one. No, they're just going to do it like Lost style, where it's like him, modern day, but there's going to be just thousands of flashbacks. I love it, I love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's cool. What was I going to say? I had something to say. It's totally Lost. But yeah, I really enjoy this show. I really think that it was just increasingly like more and more charming every single week and then by the end I was fully on the edge of my seat, fully invested, blood was pumping, could not wait to see what happened next. And it was just adventure. You know it's, it's a pure adventure. Oh, I was gonna say uh, you mentioned like flashback series to jod as a young kid and it reminded me of the young indiana jones, but like young john, young jodd na na wood, you know the young jodd na na wood adventures I would love that with like a younger owl, like you know, like yeah, involved somehow, like oh, yeah, man, that, like that, that, that one alien, that kind of double crossed him with the white skin and the white hair yeah, forget her name.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, uh, anthony, you loved it, I loved it rich uh. What are your final thoughts on the first season of skeleton crew?
Speaker 3:I loved it. I really think that this is one of the best entry points into the star wars universe without overburdening them, without, like I had to create a powerpoint presentation to explain the background of revenge of the sith. I mean, I know it's, it's the third one, so you know that's part of it. But I think even with a lot of the movies right, you kind of have to give people a little backstory. I think this is a great entry point into star wars. I think it really captures the fun, like even when we're talking about jod being kind of evil, right, it's never like you know he's not keeping someone at the bottom of a hole in their house and passing them lotion, you know like silence of the lambs right, you know, like it's not, we don't that level yeah, we, we have very like goonies level evil, right, but not not terrible.
Speaker 3:I mean it's fun, it's really still accessible for kids, right, in a way that I think some of the stuff that's been coming out isn't you know. I mean I let my son watch all of it. I don't care, because I'm like it's star wars, it's history, history's messy history's messy buddy.
Speaker 3:Get used to the real world, you know. But yeah, I I know that there are some parents who don't want to do that because of some of those stories are heavy. I like that. This is a fun entry point for everybody. So that's why I do want to see I don't know if I need to see a continuation, but just something that kind of carries this fun spirit. You know this torch, yeah this endor spirit a little bit, this zaniness, this okay, you know, don't give me something like Star Wars Resistance okay.
Speaker 1:Like oh, we're going to make a cartoon, you know. And then just like, completely botch it.
Speaker 3:I'm going to say something that might be offensive on this show, but it took me a long time to go back and watch the Star Wars cartoons and I ended up loving them. But I remember it was like my brain kept going like this isn't Star Wars, like it's just that's what my brain was doing, over and over again, and it took me a while to finally overcome it. And then, once I got into it, you know, then when, like Bad Batch came out, I was like super excited. But I know that that's also a point of contention, for there's like a portion, I think, of Star Wars fans who are like not the cartoons, usually older portion, I think, of star wars fans who are like not the cartoons usually older, I think, like my like I'm 42, so 42 and older are a little bit less.
Speaker 2:I feel like millennials are generally a little bit more accepting, because I think we grew up in a period where cartoons changed and they, they stopped being just for kids you know, and I think that that mindset for us is a little bit different.
Speaker 2:So I do notice that people in my age bracket, in the like mid thirties, late twenties, are tend to be a little bit more open to the animated side of Star Wars, but I don't have any hard data on that at all. But yeah, guys, thank you so much for listening to us here for our 108th episode of Project Ecology. We enjoy talking about everything. Skeleton Crew, we have a very, very fun show for you next week. I recommend you watch the movie the Boy and the Heron by Hayao Miyazaki, probably the greatest animator of all time, at least in the same ballpark as, I don't know, walt Disney. He's in that league. I'm very excited to talk about his most recent movie.
Speaker 2:Rich, I know that you have already watched the movie, but I want to hear your thoughts fresh next week. And, anthony, we have already seen the movie, but we'll be watching it again to prep for next week's show. Absolutely yeah, the Boy and the Heron. Like I've mentioned, no-transcript, you'll find more places where you can follow us over there. But, anthony, is there something you wanted to mention, like something about stars or something?
Speaker 1:well, are you? He's talking about the, the buy one, get one free five stars. You give us a five star and we don't give you a five star, but we just receive it and hopefully you give it another five star to another episode. I don't know that's the one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but but specifically, like what kind of five star, like a wet towel kind of five star?
Speaker 1:you know a, a juicy rare. You know like a wet towel, Yep, like a brick like a brick.
Speaker 2:We were talking about random slangs before the show. Anyway, guys, we're, we're rambling here. It's late, we're going to go. We'll see you on the next one, the Wolverine.
