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Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
Ever wondered how a galaxy far, far away could intertwine with the works of Shakespeare? Our recurring guest, Rich, dazzles us with his creative teaching techniques, blending "Revenge of the Sith" with "Macbeth" to showcase the tragic hero archetype. As we celebrate our 106th episode aligned with "Return of the Jedi," we reminisce about the highs and lows of this iconic film, sharing personal stories and the unique ways it has touched our lives. Dakota and Anthony join the conversation with updates on their personal projects, with Dakota honing his script for "Dawn of Yangchen" and Anthony making strides through "The Wire."
Step back in time with us as we explore the magical charm of "Return of the Jedi," revisiting its place in the Star Wars saga. We gleefully chat about the memorable characters like Admiral Ackbar and Chewbacca, and even get into the nitty-gritty of language quirks, such as the Ewoks' linguistic prowess. Our analysis doesn't stop there; we unpack the fascinating growth of characters like Han Solo and Luke Skywalker, highlighting their transformation from their original roles to their iconic statuses in the saga. Throw in some playful debates on the curious accents and dynamics within Jabba's Palace, and we've got a recipe for nostalgic bliss.
Our deep dive wouldn't be complete without touching on pivotal moments like Luke's confrontation with Darth Vader and the monumental influence of Yoda. We spotlight the epic battle between light and dark, and Luke's journey to resist the dark side's allure. Rich also brings to the table intriguing speculation on new characters like Jod, sparking theories and discussions about Skeleton Crew. As we wrap up, we cherish the lasting charm of the original trilogy, acknowledging its imperfections but celebrating its enduring legacy. Engage with us as we navigate the galaxy of Star Wars, blending humor, insights, and a whole lot of geekery.
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Welcome to episode 106 of Project Geekology. And the force is really strong with this episode, because not only is it 106, but we are covering episode 6 of Star Wars, return of the Jedi. And to do that, joining me, as always, is.
Speaker 2:Dakota, you didn't say your own name. What's your name, dude?
Speaker 1:You know I forgot at the beginning of, you know I forgot my name in that moment, but this is Anthony and joining us, anthony and Dakota, for a good little while now is Rich, Happy to be on.
Speaker 3:guys. Thanks for having me again Really excited. As you guys can see, I do have the Return of the Jedi Death Star behind me. It is, in fact, fully operational.
Speaker 1:Every time I see it I keep on thinking it's Battlestar.
Speaker 2:For those of you listening at home or on your commute or wherever you listen to us, Rich has a. It's not a wallpaper, they're like wall stickers.
Speaker 3:Giant stickers that we put on over a black wall.
Speaker 2:It's very cool. Yeah, like fat heads right.
Speaker 3:Yep fatheads.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, I didn't know the exact terminology, excuse me.
Speaker 1:Wow, dakota. Wow, seriously, man, what am I doing? And you call yourself a nerd or a geek.
Speaker 2:I feel like a loser. Now, guys, we're covering Return of the Jedi, the sixth episode in the Star Wars saga, the third film to ever have been released, directed by Richard Marquand. We have a lot of thoughts as to what we like and dislike about this movie, and we're going to get into all of that very shortly. But before we get into any of that, let's talk a little bit about what we've been up to this past week. Rich, you were mentioning a couple things off the podcast before we started. You want to reiterate that.
Speaker 3:Oh, since we in depth before, I didn't think we'd talk about it again, but I guess we need like a diluted version, you know like cliff notes of like what you're doing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so, uh, I'm I. I like to reward myself as a teacher. So after we came back from winter recess, we started to watch revenge of the sith. It is part of my larger macbeth unit where we follow a tragic hero, so I thought we'd start it off with Anakin and then we kick it over to Macbeth. So it's a great way to come back from break and one of the few units of the year that I create an extensive PowerPoint for, because I struggle with what information they need before going into the movie. So it's been rather exciting times.
Speaker 2:But that's actually very cool. I would have loved that if I were a kid in your classroom. Sadly I wasn't, but I do like that concept of using Revenge of the Sith to ease your kids into Shakespeare, because I do believe that the prequel trilogy is the closest we have in I big franchise media to like shakespearean drama today. I think that that's really cool yeah, I don't, I just don't.
Speaker 3:I think we have we kind of got into like a very anti-hero, you know, like you can't say like tony soprano or I mean I guess maybe walter white, but even then I still think that a lot of these kind of new, you know the, the anti-heroes, don't really kind of fall into that tragic hero genre as well, and we kind of really have embraced the anti-hero for like the last, I don't know, 20 something years at least, I think, in cinema and tv yeah, what else?
Speaker 2:what else have you been up to outside of the fringe of the sith?
Speaker 3:you know, just you know, keeping going with Dragon Age Veilguard, I think I'm near the end. It's actually getting to the point where my wife is actually enjoying it. She won't admit this out loud, but she has been. She's come in and normally she tells me you know it's time to end it, let's go watch a show.
Speaker 3:Oh, she hovers Now she's sitting down and she's been kind of. She actually corrected me because one of the characters said something like we're going to go fight this dragon. It'll be your first time. I was like it's not my first time fighting a dragon, I already fought two. And then my wife goes. Didn't you listen to what she said? She said those other dragons were controlled by gods, this one's not. And I was like, oh wow, she's paying close attention.
Speaker 2:So what have you been up to? She knows sonic's name well yes what have I been up to?
Speaker 2:not a whole lot. Yeah, I, I, I'm gonna. I'm feeling pretty lame this week. I didn't get a lot done, just a lot of stuff around the house and the new house as well as trying to just do random things. But yeah, nothing, nothing to write home about. Reread the dawn of yang chen for probably the hundredth time, because I'm trying to nail down this script. But yeah, anthony, I'm gonna throw it over to you wow so, so quickly, dakota.
Speaker 1:Wow, um, I don't really have anything. I'm trying to think, like I know I must have done something you know and and rich you know you watch revenge of the sith, but that's not the movie we're covering. You watch the wrong one.
Speaker 3:You know that you got. You know what I did, anthony you know, that I went and I watched phantom menace, attack of the clones, revenge of the sith. A new hope empire strikes back.
Speaker 1:Return of the jedi rogue one oh, so you watched all of them to watch that one, okay, yep. So last week we're talking about where I had said that I had started that show, the Wire, so I finished the first season. Now I'm like a couple episodes into the second season. That show is crazy, man, that show is crazy. And, yeah, man, like it's one of those ones that you definitely need to like watch something else to bounce you out, because there's a lot of like tragedy that does happen. But yeah, it's been, it's been good. I've been playing a lot of marvel rivals. Today, as of recording, which is wednesday, january 8th, they actually started their new season of marvel rivals and they dropped the fantastic four today, so we got like all of them oh, that's really cool yeah how do they play?
Speaker 1:so well. I haven't been able to play. I've been at work all day so I haven't been able to play them yet.
Speaker 2:But oh, so you're itching to get this recording done yes, man, like we need hurry up like this is gonna be like a 20 minute recording no no, but I've only seen some of invisible woman and mr fantastic.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen any of the others. But Invisible Woman, I think she's like a strategist which is like the support heroes, like she can make herself and like others, like invisible, like kind of like putting out fields and stuff. I think that Mr Fantastic is Vanguard, which is like the tank, so he's like a tanky character which I guess, like you could put him there, the thing I'm assuming is also a vanguard, and johnny storm, the human torch, is probably a duelist, which is like the dps. And you know, and I know that when I hop onto marvel rivals, and in true marvel rivals fashion, there's probably going to be the four to five dps and then like one healer. So or like one tank, one healer and like four dps, oh my gosh, it's like it reminds me of, like the wild west days of early overwatch I, I can only imagine, but but yeah, so it's a is zeus storm, basically like a sombra no, you know who's closer to sombra.
Speaker 1:Believe it or not, is psylocke psylocke yeah, psylocke uh psylocke has likesylocke.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Psylocke Atacando las luces.
Speaker 1:Psylocke has this ability that makes her go invisible.
Speaker 1:She also I don't know she's a lot more fast-paced moving she has this dash attack that kind of reminds me a little bit of Sombra's Translocator, which in current day, sombra's Translocator is not something that you can put down and then like zap to later. It's like you throw it up into the air and then, like you translocate in like a couple of seconds or like you know, or it's like a room or somewhere, like in whatever direction you translocate, either on impact, or like after a couple seconds yeah, yeah, so so that, so psylocke is a little bit closer to her.
Speaker 1:I was wondering, like how that dynamic was gonna work, because I was like, okay, psylocke is somebody that already goes invisible and then obviously, you know, sue Storm is literally named Invisible Woman. So we're gonna have two invisible characters, and I mean with Psylocke it's not like Sombra, where Sombra's was like a long-term invisibility. Sombra, she's not at where I'm trying to think of what her invisibility is like. Now. They've been like really just messing around with so many of the characters in Overwatch, and I think that Marvel Rivals is trying to learn from from Overwatch. My only issue with Marvel Rivals is that they really need to polish it a little bit more. It does feel like an upscaled mobile game sometimes. I mean it is created by NetEase, which that is what they're really mostly known for.
Speaker 2:That's the vibe that I got from the couple matches that I played of Rivals was that it's an unpolished Overwatch.
Speaker 1:Right, right and.
Speaker 1:Paladins is a little bit like that too, but the thing is that I feel like Paladins is a little bit like that too. But the thing is is that I feel like Paladins fits in a weird space. Paladins is fun there's nothing wrong with Paladins but I feel like Paladins really is like the marriage of a MOBA game and a game like Overwatch. You know so, I mean they came out around the same time, but yeah, no, I've been playing a lot of Marvel Rivals. I do have fun with it, though, like, even though it feels a little bit more unpolished than overwatch, it is one of the better games that tries to fit the same bill, if that makes sense. You know like, I mean there's a couple games out there that are very similar to overwatch and this one holds more attention. It's I mean I don't know how true it is, I haven't looked into the statistics of it, but I mean so far, over a month, yeah, like, literally like a few days ago it's been a month. They say that it's retained 90% of its players. So I mean it's pretty good and I mean I hop onto it. I might play like a few matches every night.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I want to you know, know, mindlessly play a game, so I'll hop on to to like maybe an rpg, like you know you kind of grind out or maybe even um, world of warcraft. World of warcraft is really. It's a really good like podcast game that you don't really have to like invest too much into. Like cinematics or anything. I mean, if a cinematic pops up, I'll like pause whatever I'm listening, but you know how world of warcraft is. So yeah, so like that. That's mostly really what I've been up to. You know, like gaming and watching the wire, so very good guys.
Speaker 2:Han solo's been trapped in carbonite for a year yeah, man, I think we need to take some time to really like let that sink in. I think that's enough time he was a rock yeah, he was. He was stuck on gabba's wall for quite a bit. So I want to start this off with rich, because you recently did a marathon of seven of the movies, or six core movies and rogue one, a spinoff. How do you feel that that changed or enhanced your viewing of this particular movie?
Speaker 3:so I you know, for me, return to jenny is probably always going to be. There's still a part of me that can go back to being 12, 13, what it was, whatever it was when I first saw it, not when it came out. Just to be clear, I'm not that old. Uh, it's.
Speaker 3:I didn't see it till I was a little bit older you went to opening night yeah, I went to opening night like one year before I was born or something like that. No, but I, you know, I always loved it because I mean you know the jedi win right. I mean in the end, you know, luke proves that he is right about his father. You got ewoks. Look I I know some people against them. I love them. I do have a couple of comments about ewoks.
Speaker 2:Overall, yeah, I was gonna talk about those too, yeah but yeah, I had a, I had a couple things I I wanted to throw in there too. So let's, let's all uh get our you know ewok comments out of the way.
Speaker 3:After rich finishes this thing yeah but you know it's just if you look at them in segments, right, if you look at them in threes I mean leaving out obviously Rogue One and Solo Story you know the end of Revenge of the Sith isn't really a fun tone, right, and I didn't altogether have a problem with the sequels, but it's not. It wasn't the same as watching Return of the Jedi. I mean that just hit different. You know, return of the Jedi is the one that sent me to the store to go buy seven novels that day because I needed to know what happened next and then, of course, all of that went away and got erased.
Speaker 3:But like return of the jedi always will be my favorite. It's not that I don't think it's even the best movie. If I have to go with revenge of the sith, truly like, I just think that like it's a masterpiece of just the way it works, except for the romantic scenes. But for me return of the jedi just kind of it actually hits on all cylinders. It may be a 12 year old talking, but I, I absolutely love it very good, very good.
Speaker 2:I guess, before we talk, ewoks, anthony, what? What are your thoughts on return of the jedi?
Speaker 1:like coming back to it, it's always nice to go back and revisit the older films. You, the ones that started off this whole craze that has, like, lasted for so long, you know, and you know like for me, while it might not be as strong as say, you know, empire Strikes Back, it's tough because a lot of series don't knock it out of the park with the sequel, but this one did the sequel like overshadows, like the rest of the movies, but it still did a really good job in at least completing that portion of the story. You know like we had something had to be done with the information that darth vader is luke skywalker's father. You know that confrontation had to happen, you know. And han solo yeah, he, you just said you started off with him being in Carbonite for a year. So that had to be addressed.
Speaker 1:And so, for the most part, to me I enjoyed it a lot, aside from some of the gripes that people have about this film. That just don't bother me as much. But yeah, it was nice to go back and watch Return of the Jedi. I think it's been a little while since I've watched it, so it was cool going back to it.
Speaker 2:I'm in the same camp it's been a bit since I've watched this movie. I know last podcast I said I had never seen it.
Speaker 2:This is the only one I hadn't seen, and I clearly freaked rich out, but I yeah, it was a trap it did. It's not true, I've seen it plenty of times, but it is. It is a really fun film to revisit as an adult because I do remember the feeling of being a kid and like before having to be in public school, like I was watching star wars literally every day, if you ask my mom, like I would just sit there with the vhs's of the original trilogy and I think this one was the one I played most because it had all the weird aliens in it yeah you know, it had the salacious crumbs, it had the jabas, it had the bib fortunas, it had that monk spider thing in the background, the gamorrean guards, all of that and I I love that and it gives me so much joy to come back and revisit it.
Speaker 2:Obviously, some changes have happened since that version of the film. Yeah, but this film has such a really great kitschy vibe, I guess you know, as opposed to some of the other ones, like there's a lot more levity in the onscreen jokes and like the visual cues. That I think adds to the Star Wars dynamic and definitely adds to the playfulness of the prequels, which I always loved. So yeah, it's again not my favorite film, but it's definitely up there with you know, as far as memories goes and like returning to it. It's again not my favorite film, but it's it's definitely up there with you know, as far as memories goes and like returning to it. It feels great.
Speaker 2:I especially love the first half, specifically like before they leave, tattooing. I think that whole section of the film is just some of my favorite star wars after that and or is it kind of loses me a little bit. I just get bored, you know. But yeah, okay, let's talk about ewoks because, you know, speaking of endor, we have these furry little guys that don't speak the common language of the galaxy. But yeah, what are your thoughts on?
Speaker 2:we'll start with rich yeah, all right first of all, I watched it with.
Speaker 3:I never watched it with closed captioning. I I've never done that before, but because I'm showing revenge of the sith in class, my disney plus is just kind of it sets it up right, so so I'm watching. Like you know, I watched a bunch of it today while I was grading and stuff, and first I did not. I assumed that the ewok language was ewok, like you know, greek or greece, right? I just I don't know. I thought it just stayed, I thought it would stay in the same form or something, and instead it's not.
Speaker 1:It's actually ewokese, which is oh yeah, I saw that too also.
Speaker 3:I don't know why, but nian nub, the celestin gets just pooped on because it says alien language. I'm like what, disney plus, you couldn't change it to celestin? Like I don't understand, unless nian nub speaking something else, but you know you would think so.
Speaker 2:I think with nine num he actually is speaking a real language oh, really um yeah, I think it's portuguese. What language?
Speaker 1:I know that I know, because I I feel like their language sounds. It kind of sounds like a real language. It really does. Like the other ones you can tell like sound very much so alien, but that I always thought that that one sounded I was like it sounds like you can tell, like sound very much so alien, but that I always thought that that one sounded I was like it sounds like he's speaking, like, okay, real language it's kikuyu, which is a kenyan language, oh wow yeah so when that was brought over to kenya apparently everyone started dying laughing because this character is just randomly speaking in their language.
Speaker 3:That's amazing I do know that if you watch, if you listen to anakin talking to watu in attack of the clones, he says busco, shmi, cywalker, like it's actually a little bit of spanish. So I always love that part really. Uh, yeah, but I will try to keep us from diverging so much and I will just try to go back to your original question about the ewoks. One thing I don't understand is that they seem to pick up basic very quickly, because at one point han's like back door and you're like yeah, yeah, I'm just like what? Like how are they they? Can they they manage to pick it up so quickly that it's kind of confusing and they're actually diabolic geniuses well, yeah, they can ride the speeder bikes like they are able to.
Speaker 3:Like, start the speeder bike up, so no problem, get, get the handle going and everything I thought they're. They're pretty savage create diversions and everything like then they have heart right, like there's that one where the walker shoots at two of them and one of the ewoks dies but the other one doesn't know it and he gets up and he grabs his arm like to go and his friend's dead and he like goes back, that's in uh, and there's no word.
Speaker 3:There are no words, right, but like it's so you can understand it yeah so yeah I know a lot of I.
Speaker 3:I mean, I feel like I've read or because I didn't really experience it. I I didn't have like negative older folk around me who were like, oh no, here come the freaking ewoks. But I have heard that some didn't have like negative older folk around me who were like, oh no, here come the freaking ewoks. But I have heard that some didn't love like the super muppetization of of this movie. But I actually my I mean as, as my wife said before she goes, you know, it's such a great. Well, first she looked at, she looked at luke skywalker when he's going up to, when he's giving himself up to Vader, and he's next to the stormtrooper. She goes, what is he? A midget? And I was like, well, you know, actually in the first movie Leia comments that he's a little short for a stormtrooper and then she's like between him and the Ewoks. Little people got a lot of roles in this movie, so I thought that was a little strong, but I I love everything about I.
Speaker 3:I actually think that wicket the ewok is played by oh my god, warwick davis, yeah, he is yeah, so. So that's, you know he's. He's kind of one of my favorite actors from many other films. So I love the ewoks, man like they're. They make me smile. The baby ewoks are so cute. They're when you know they're in their little nests, like getting scared the party at the end. I love the ewoks unabashedly awesome.
Speaker 2:one thing that I like noticed about the party at the end is that they have this really elaborate tree fort system in like the redwoods of california, and they they have fires going on everywhere. They have interior fires that have been hollowed out from the trees. I'm like, how are you not setting up your entire camp ablaze? How do you manage? You're bumbling fools, trip over everything. But you're also extremely ingenious in certain ways. The quickness that they're able to provide in terms of, like setting up traps for the ATSDs, it's amazing. Like, how did the rebels communicate what they needed for the firepower that they were going to receive and how did they so quickly? Like you said, how did they understand basics so quickly? How did they manage that in such a short period of time? And I guess that's a little bit of suspension of disbelief there, but it is fun. Yeah, I don't hate it I, I feel.
Speaker 1:So what kind of gets me thinking is that I'm feeling that, like I mean, it seems like the empire has been established there for a while there had to have been some dust-ups with the ewoks and the imperials.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure that the imperials established themselves as an enemy there and that that's why the ewoks were especially probably distrusting like okay, this, they kind of they're like about the same height, maybe they're like with them. But you know, I guess, like when they show that they were like friendly and they, they like show that they're like against them, then you know, that's probably why they were able to kind of like pick up that they wanted to fight against them. And you know, who knows, maybe those traps were traps that they had set before. Because they've had these fight, you know, maybe they've had to defend themselves before Because, think about it, like, you know, like how, how has the Empire not like eradicated these end of you, eradicated these Ewoks? I mean, you know that the Empire would definitely take out anybody that was messing with them or could potentially mess with them, you know, and so they probably have had to defend themselves.
Speaker 2:Especially creatures so close to where they're building Dude exactly.
Speaker 1:Seriously, and so maybe that's how they knew where some of their stuff was. You know, like you said, the suspension of disbelief. You know we're coming up with our own canon. But you know, I know I agree, like I know, that one of the biggest like issues with ewoks is that it's just like really cute creature and something that's supposed to be like you know this really cool sci-fi, you know opera thing, but it's like dude like. If you watch star wars, like you know the silliness is just sprinkled all over the place. You know, and I feel like ewoks really do have a place in the star wars universe. I mean, dude like.
Speaker 1:At the end of the day, something that people need to like remember is that, like the aim was mostly kids first, and you know they wanted to obviously incorporate stuff to make it, all you know, awesome for adults to watch too, and so, like they did, they did their job. You know, kind of like harry potter, like dude, harry potter was aimed for kids but captured the hearts of adults too. You know they did the same thing with Star Wars. So you know the incorporation. You know, as a kid, like you know, you love Ewoks but I'm pretty sure, like some of the, the older edgelord, you know, geeks were like nah, man, that's that. That's not Star Wars, that's. You know that, that's for little kids, you know that kind of thing, you know. But for me it's like dude, there's a room for it everywhere. I had no issue with it and there was clearly an audience for it, because they made two Ewoks Dude exactly, and a TV show.
Speaker 1:I remember seeing those movies a long time ago.
Speaker 2:I watched the first one recently for the first time.
Speaker 1:Oh, really no, I saw them as a kid A couple years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a couple years ago yeah, a couple years ago. They're like a fever dream to me.
Speaker 1:They actually are like to go to watch them and you're like I'm probably gonna watch it and be like, wow, this is for the most part. I remembered like a lot of it, you know, but yeah, yeah let's talk a little about something else.
Speaker 2:How are we feeling about, like, the main cast of characters, how they've evolved from who they were in the first movie the princess, the scoundrel and, you know, the boy with wanderlust in his eyes? How do we feel about, you know, now we have leia's, a rebel leader han is well, he's frozen in carbonite at the beginning of this one and and luke is a full-blown jedi, or almost a full-blown jedi. He's not. He's not there quite yet. How do we feel about their transformation?
Speaker 1:anthony, I'll start with you so yeah, according to yoda he was not ready yet he had to face his jedi trial and his jedi trial was facing vader well for leia and luke, that was like kind of like on track, like it seemed like they were on track to be leaders within this rebellion.
Speaker 1:Han is definitely a 180 because han did not want anything to do with that. He wanted to get his money and he wanted to go, but eventually he got to the point to where he became a general, you know. And similarly, lando Lando is like very much so like a Han type character. He's like no man like he. You know, he had his people in Cloud City and I guess you know, with that dust up that they had in Bespin, they, you know, he got to the point where he became a general too. And so, yeah, you had this cast of, you know, semi unlikely individuals that made their way up into the ranks pretty fast, because I'm pretty sure that there's people in that rebellion that probably were there from the beginning but were probably just squad leaders, you know.
Speaker 2:Which ends Hillies.
Speaker 1:Yeah right.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I see your point. I like that you brought up lando as well, because, yeah, he was a very like opportunistic dude yeah and the first time that we saw him. You know, he was lovable, he had a lot of charisma, but ultimately he sold them out for the sake of his city right, right, and you know, yeah, he kind of went back on that.
Speaker 1:I like billy d though, man he he kills.
Speaker 2:That role he's perfect. I always loved lando rich. What do you think about the characters and how they've grown over the years?
Speaker 3:so I don't know why, but I I felt like I was listening to leia's voice. It sounds, it's something about her voice sounds different in this one. I'm not sure if it's like she's indignant princess at the beginning, so she's a little like higher pitched, but her, her pitch comes off a little bit differently during this movie. I don't know if that's supposed to kind of indicate like a level of maturity. Just even her interaction with the ewok at the beginning, when she falls off the speeder bike, just kind of very calm and soothing, which I think is actually kind of different from the character that we saw in the other two movies. So I think they're trying to show a little level of like just growth and maturity in her, as because she's always kind of been a leader Right, she was a senator, you know she was kind of active, you know under under her father Bale, but that she seems a little bit more sure in that way.
Speaker 3:Han, you know, like you said, does the 180 Anthony in terms, but I love that he he's in many ways like the comic relief and some you know, as kind of being like the straight man, to being like in absurd situations, and I really like that. I liked his interaction with Leia, like when they're by the, the doors to the compound or what have you, when they're trying to break in to take the shield down and she pulls out the gun, when he's, you know, held up from behind and he just whispers I love you to her. So it's just like little moments like that that I think I know that in some ways, like I think harrison ford said that he kind of, by that point, he really kind of didn't, he was kind of done with star wars a little bit, but I I thought that his performance was great and I love the character there, luke. There's a seriousness to him. That's definitely different. I mean, it makes sense at the after, after the end of, uh, empire, there's a, there's a definite like maturity level yeah uh, that he has attained and he's very stoic in all of his proceedings, like yes, yeah, yeah
Speaker 3:that's a good point very controlled, you know, like kind of the jedi lack of emotion, right, like he's kind of coming from a peaceful, calm place at all times. So I I really enjoyed that. I know this is like a little nitpicky. I don't love his costuming in black, I mean, I think it's just too. Oh, vader wears black and the emperor wears black, so now we've got luke wearing all black, you know, and I just I do like the ditching of the robes to an extent, right, I know that originally, I think, where they say something like lucas didn't want all the jedi to be in robes, like that was like obi-wan's thing, living as a hermit, and then they ended up putting everyone in the robes. So I do like that in this way he kind of departs from them, but of course, you know, years later then does don his own robes as he is a hermit himself.
Speaker 2:So right, you know, that's a really good point. I never really considered how his outfit change speaks to his Jedi hood, but he does. He does have a hood in the beginning.
Speaker 1:He does yeah.
Speaker 2:Up until pretty much he goes into the Rancor pit.
Speaker 1:Well, I think, I think he's wearing black, you know, because you know he does have a little bit of sith-like qualities.
Speaker 1:He does think in absolutes, you know he, you know he, he does, and he does threaten java like, hey, do this or you're gonna die, like, oh, okay I'm like man, this is a jedi threatening, like he's using the threat of death on java if, like, if he doesn't let them go, and so the thing that that I like about that and when you watch the prequels it really like opens it up a lot. But the fact that Luke did have, you know, a bit of a Jedi teacher, but there's a lot that he's also trying to figure out on his own, so he didn't grow up with that whole dogmatic. Oh you know, sith would never, or Jedi would never, negotiate with a threat or something like that.
Speaker 1:He has really no idea what a lot of the Jedi would do. So a lot of it is, like you know, not giving into emotion and anger, which he does. So in a way he kind of does tap into the dark side a little bit, but like he doesn't fall into it. So at the end of the day you could say that he's a gray jedi you could say that, yes, what I?
Speaker 2:what I will say, I was gonna, I was gonna joke earlier about how he doesn't have the sacred jedi texts.
Speaker 1:Uh, at this point.
Speaker 2:So, like he, doesn't have all of the knowledge of what came before. So technically, like right now, the actual throne room for Palpatine is the former Jedi temple. So, like underneath the throne room is the ruins of that order. So it'd be interesting seeing that like explored one day and seeing more of those old Jedi artifacts come to life in Luke's era or past that point.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that would be cool. And like we never get to see a coruscant during that era. Like what is it? You know, what is it like? I mean it must be crazy imperial, like so many imperials going on, you know I do get.
Speaker 2:We do get a course on like viewpoint at the end of this movie yeah, after when they're like celebrating the death of the emperor I noticed for the first time today while while I was re-watching this. If you look at the crowd of people celebrating in coruscant, you could see them crowd surfing a stormtrooper dude, I didn't even pay attention to that, for I need to go back to that yeah, it's actually really funny.
Speaker 2:Like I had to like wait, are they actually? And it's like very blatantly like yeah, I don't know if it's actually really funny. Like I had to like wait, are they actually? And it's like very blatantly like, yeah, I don't know if it's a dead stormtrooper dude, seriously it's just a stormtrooper, happy to be like out of the oppression.
Speaker 1:I mean because? I mean because we do get storm troopers that don't agree 100 with what's going on. You know you, you do have defectors and whatnot. So who knows, maybe he's like, oh, finally yeah, he's out of a job he's like you know what I hated that guy anyways and he's like crowd surfing dude. That's wild. I need to go back and look at that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it sounds hilarious the first time I introduced my wife jen to or it was my girlfriend at the time when I introduced her to the Star Wars movies.
Speaker 2:When we got to Return of the Jedi, when Luke showed up all in black, he was very stoic, that he it appears that he like force chokes the two Gamorrean guards and probably just shuts them up, and I don't think it's supposed to be like he actually force chokes them and like causes them physical harm or anything.
Speaker 2:I think they're just freaked out. But because it looks like he force chokes them, it's supposed to, you know, indicate that oh, this is, this is dark side luke, like something happened and he's on the dark side now, you know and I I never picked up on that as a kid because I was a kid I'm not looking at the themes of like color, the color themes of of star wars at the time, but so that's something that never crossed my mind until my wife brought it up. So it is interesting that you bring it up, rich. And another thing you bring up that I thought was really funny. So, leia, you mentioned that her voice is significantly different in this as opposed to her voice in the first movie, and I think it's because she bounces between an American accent and a British accent throughout the movie.
Speaker 3:The original movie Interesting. Yeah, you know now that I think back to it. Yeah, because there's.
Speaker 2:I don't think there's like a canon reason for it, because obviously Alderaan doesn't speak that way, but I think, if I remember correctly, carrie Fisher did answer the question as she was just making fun of tarkin in those scenes. Oh, that's so in the scenes with tarkin, which is a lot of them.
Speaker 3:You know she has a british accent I should have picked up your foul stench once I got on board.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, all right, I uh or at least it's not british, but like more regal yes, that's definitely more regal she sounds princessy yeah, yeah, right, well, and I think in that moment she was playing that part too, like you know.
Speaker 1:I mean, she is a princess, but also, like under you know, they're suspecting that she was with the rebellion too, which she was, but she was trying to play it off, which you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could see that yeah, so I I just think it's cool seeing these characters. It's now four years, like, chronologically, from the the events of the first movie. I guess it's still three years for han because he was gone for a year, but seeing how they have each grown in their own unique ways is pretty cool. Let's talk about the whole Jabba's Palace sequence, because that's, for me, my favorite part of the film. I love how it starts with, you know, first it's the two droids showing up, you know, unknowingly offering themselves up as gifts to Jabba in the hopes that that, you know, luke scavacher can like make a peaceful bargain for for solo. Well, we do that, obviously I'll go ahead.
Speaker 3:What I love is, though, that so clearly r2's in on it, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, seriously right and I love that, like I love that, even though c3po is a robot, right, he's like the guy you can't tell anything to. So R2 is able to know that this is happening. But poor C-3PO, he's got to be going through an emotional rollercoaster because he's like my master, just like the guy his dad built me, right, he doesn't know that part, right, because he got erased. But you know, this guy's been in the Skywalker family for at least one generation and he, you know he goes, he just gives him up, right, and like c-3po kind of just has to deal with that. So I I kind of love that yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1:I do like that too. I like that r2's always just down. He doesn't care what the plan is he's like. Yeah, I'm up for it, like he just does it r2 locks locks in. He does.
Speaker 2:One thing I love about C-3PO in that scene is there's a couple of things, but one of my favorite lines is when, shortly after the message starts where Luke is explaining I'm giving you these droids, and then C-3PO, he has this. He turns and looks at R2 and says you're playing the wrong message. Turns and looks at the other, looks at r2. It says you're playing the wrong message. As if luke skywalker, like, had several messages that could have been related to java surely that could be the one of course not, but I also.
Speaker 2:I I think it's funny that like for a translator droid, like that's his soul, like as a protocolid, his entire purpose is to translate for people he's so terrible at like speaking other languages. Like when he speaks Huttese it's so clipped Jabba no bata Like he's really like struggling to like enunciate whatever he needs to say, but it gets across anyway somehow. I love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:And the Iwakis.
Speaker 3:If you picture him speak Spanish, it's like hola, como estan mi amigos. It's like a very terrible accent he's. Yeah, it's like you know he's. If you compare him to an iPhone, at least R2-D2 has numerous uses. Right, they have that socket everywhere in the universe. No, the Imperials, really, whoever their engineers are just really need to start putting covers on these things. But r2d2 is like a swiss army knife.
Speaker 1:And then you got c-3po here, who's just kind of the one trick pony, I don't know, hey, you know r2d2, he throws down, he fights, you know, as we see in revenge of the sith. No, no, but yeah, I, I agree like. I just feel like, even though r2d2 does can't, you know, he doesn't speak all or he doesn't translate he does have like more uses than than c-3po. One of the things that always and this is something you see throughout the series it's just how. It's just how people understand what these astromechs are saying. Like that always blew my mind, like it's literally just saying boops, beeps and boops, but somehow you know what this thing is saying and it's believable that they know what they're saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one thing that I I always like wanted to like explore is that, like, for some reason, you know, in most science fiction or science fantasy, when there's a robot or an android or some sort of programmed life form, there's a reticence for the audience to accept them as being a character in their own right. It's kind of off Like oh, that's the robot. Where in Star Wars, droids occupy a sentient level that is far beyond most sci-fi series. Droids are characters unto themselves, whether it's sentience or just like self-awareness. I I think it's pretty cool that, like, we don't even question it. Like, droids are who they are, like that's, that's just a different type of life form in this galaxy right, it's like almost a different species, even though they're created exactly, yeah kind of like k2so, you know, like he's a droid, but he there is that kind of like that self-awareness, kind of like with the c-3po.
Speaker 1:You know there is that display of like fear. You know he obviously shows fear like he's going to be destroyed, you know. So, yeah, there is that self-awareness what I.
Speaker 2:Another thing I want to talk about in Jabba's palace is that Jabba clearly knows something's afoot the moment the droids show up. He knows this is going to end up as a trap. And then we have Leia coming in with the Bosch helmet and she has another one of Han Solo's close associates, which is Chewbacca. So now we have two droids. The next day we have Chewbacca. So now we have two droids. The next day we have Chewbacca, and we know that Luke Skywalker is coming. So he's like I love that. He kind of sets up a trap just waiting for Han Solo to be awoken in Carbonite or from Carbonite, and he already knows it's coming. He knows that this is.
Speaker 2:The entire goal is to sneak him out, and he just makes it entertainment for himself, you know like he just sets his little throne up behind a curtain, gets all his homies back there and is like watch this, watch this. We got to probably wait until like 2 am, but just watch this.
Speaker 1:Now you have read 2 am. You just hear that that job a laugh.
Speaker 3:You have to question his hiring practices, though, you know. So, uh, we have an open position for gammerian guard. All right, who's next? Oh hi, so, uh, are you gammerian? No, my name is lando calrissian. Sure, we'll hire you as a guy, as a gammerian guard. We'll give you the same exact outfit, even though you look nothing like like it's just, none of the other guards are, I feel like almost all of them I hadn't even thought about that Are Gamemoreans. And then you have good old Billy Dee Williams. He might as well be slinging his Colt .45 there, and Jabba doesn't seem to notice one of the other more prominent, you know, I mean, nobody noticed there, nobody, lando.
Speaker 2:He was a deep plant. He was a deep plant man.
Speaker 1:It was the deep plant. He was a deep plant man it was the long game.
Speaker 2:Another thing that's really funny for me is clearly Jabba's parties go hard, because regularly, whenever it's nighttime, you'll just see a bunch of sleeping individuals and partiers just in his general vicinity. They just collapse right then and there, right around his throne. I think that that's hilarious.
Speaker 3:What do you guys? So I think you kind of mentioned it before how there are some differences here and we are in the Jabba's palace scene. So what are your thoughts on the musical stylings of Snice Noodles? I think that's the Snice.
Speaker 2:Noodles. Yeah, to be to be entirely honest, I've seen this version so much nowadays since 97, whenever it was released that I don't even remember what like the original scene looked like in my head. I'm sure I would recognize it immediately if I saw it again. But as far as size noodles goes, I love the design. I know that it's probably my wife's favorite star wars character is size noodles. So when size noodles showed up in uh clone wars she was ecstatic. But yeah, I don't, I don't mind that the other guy I forget the other guy's name the the guy that's like the max rebo.
Speaker 1:No, max rebo is awesome it oh, the like flute, the flute or clarinet player guy no, not him, the the guy who sings like yeah, I know who you're talking about the jazz singer like yeah really like.
Speaker 2:I hate that. I hate that animation so much.
Speaker 1:Oh, he looks like the mucinex commercial yes, okay, yes, all right, yeah, yeah, not that, not that animation quality of a commercial and they.
Speaker 2:They tried to make it like really high tech where like he got right up close to the camera and like like spittle from, like his like open mouth was kind of like flopping around in there and it just looks terrible. It just looks like please no not a fan of that one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think I'm used. I think I've seen this nice news enough that it is. You know, I did. I did own the vhs's that didn't have that so but it's been such a long time, they know. Obviously streaming is just kind of so much easier that I've seen that version so many times that, like you said, I don't even think I can remember, like all of you. You know, you paid me all the money in the world. I don't think I could tell you exactly what filled that space beforehand right but it it does generally fit in and in the piles.
Speaker 3:And also, you know, the casual death of the twilight is, you know, everyone just kind of carries on, they're like, oh yeah, this is kind of what normally happens. No, like I love that they can sleep in the same place where, like at any moment, somebody can be dropped into the rancor pit and the crying the crying rancor guard is. I mean, I don't know, it's like it, like some of the most absurd slash, best acting ever right, like he looks so upset, like that's my baby Rancor, like what did you do to it?
Speaker 2:What I will say it does feel like totally. I don't know if it's unearned. You know like that that single performance, because he acts his heart out but, like everyone else, is just like in a kitschy movie. You know like, yeah, he, he just lost the like the pet that he's been raising his whole life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's crazy yeah, I wonder if he if he was friends with machete, who's also a raincoat train oh yeah, I forgot about that book of boba fett, that's right, I do love the skiff scene uh by the great pet of skarlak.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think I love the see. Like even han being like blind is kind of hilarious, right like boba fett, where you know, and the fact that he just accidentally hits the jet pack is like just gold exactly.
Speaker 1:And the thing is, is that stuff like that happens in star wars? You know there is a bit of that like slapstick comedy, so like, that's why, you know, with the existence of like something like Ewoks, it's like, why would something like that bother you? Because it's silly, dude, star Wars is silly sometimes. So, yeah, dude, like, and in the moment where Lando falls and like gets grabbed by one of the tentacles and like he's like, he's like trying to like shoot it, and like lando's, like you know, aren't you still like kind of like you're blind, he's like no, no, I could see, I could see higher. You know, like that whole sequence, dude it's, you know it like there's a crazy moment that's happening, but it's also comical at the same time.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, dude, I, I, I, just I. I love a lot that happens in this movie, you know, like it may not be as strong as Empire, but like it still earns its own right to be called a Star Wars movie, you know.
Speaker 2:And we see Luke has a new lightsaber. It's a green colored lightsaber in one of these movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he's a Sentinel pretty much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he's a Sentinel. Let's jump over to his confrontation with his father, vader, and them being egged on by Palpatine. Because I think that that's such a fascinating moment in Star Wars, because it is kind of like how you can be so easily tricked into the seduction of the dark side. You just let go of your anger and just like be be ruled by it.
Speaker 1:you know, and for a second, luke does go into that mode where he nearly kills his father yeah, and then realizes no, I'm not doing that right, like it's like the pool of the dark side is kind of getting him there, but he catches himself like no, I'm not gonna take that deep dive. You know, it really is, that moment really is a it's, it's like a personal power struggle for luke, the pull, the push and pull of the light and the dark happening like in him in that moment, like you know, him wanting to save his father but then also him wanting to protect leia, because you know he, he makes that like he really makes like that deep jab, like well, if you're not gonna fall to the dark side, maybe she will, you know. So it, it, it is crazy and dude, ian, I mean like this is where, like we, we, like we really get him and like he, he has really just killed that character.
Speaker 2:For yeah, it's amazing that that we we have had amy mcdermott like do that role since this movie. You know, like that's what. That was 1983. This was probably filmed in 82, and then rise of skywalker was 2019.
Speaker 1:It's a long time yeah, so it's a really long time but he, he made that character his own, like he really did a great job, like he is, he embodies that villain and like he really, and then you know, I mean he's deliciously evil, he he is and like, even like you know, when you go to like the prequels, like him like playing the double, like two sides of a coin is just brilliant. So like seeing that, like you know him like where he started is or going back to it, it's awesome and his roles, yeah.
Speaker 2:Rich, what are your thoughts on that? That whole side of the film specifically with Luke confronting Vader, almost being tempted by the dark side and, you know, like Palpatine it's it's amazing.
Speaker 3:I think it's dermid or something. It's got a little bit of an odd spelling. He's just fantastic. I mean, it's also like just some of the word choice, right again. One point he just he switches to calling luke his young apprentice. Right, like just these little like manipulative things. That it's amazing because I think that some of his most amazing villainy does not come from the dark side. It's just his ability to create sentences in a way to give information, deliver information in a way that slowly, like ropes the individual into his seduction. Right it's he does.
Speaker 2:He's a good way to put it he does it with anakin.
Speaker 3:Just, I mean, you know, I was just thinking about how, like he asked anakin to spy on the jedi council, then the jedi council asks anakin to spy on palpatine and you know, anakin's like what? How? That's ridiculous. But like, hey, palpatine just asked you to do the same thing, like a little while ago, you know, and it's just his delivery. And in this sequence it's equally the same. I mean even luke and vader, when they choose to either say father, or when he says my son, and then he just switches to luke. You know, to get it it's almost like the son part is a little bit more aggressive, but then when he says luke, he's kind of trying to appeal to him as a human. It's really masterful.
Speaker 3:And what's amazing about that whole sequence is, you know, a very rudimentary set right. The battle is so far that it's just like this tiny little speck in the window of the throne room there, and you know, it's just the scaffolding or whatever that's around the walkways that are there. But those three, I think, really just kind of use that space in such an amazing way and I even, I mean, gotta give them credit. I actually even think that the shaft that Palpatine gets thrown down, you know, like man for that time. That's not bad. I actually think it looks pretty good, you know, even just for, if you're talking about it being remastered from back in the early 2000s still stays.
Speaker 2:I generally find yeah, I generally find that the original effects that they went with just look so much better than the new ones that they tried to digitally include, maybe save for the hayden christensen inclusion, which I I actually that is one change that I do enjoy. I think it could could be better, but you know I enjoy that they did that.
Speaker 1:And it kind of like makes sense, because that was like kind of what he looked like when he was like aligned with the light side of the Force.
Speaker 2:If I were Lucas and I were trying to put Hayden into this, I would have originally I would. I would have the original actor that they had as a force ghost, but like kind of flickering a little bit into Hayden Christensen. Because we know that force ghosts, you know we it's in later canon it's kind of explored that force ghosts don't stick to one time in their lives to portray like their age varies greatly. So I think that that could have been a cool way to introduce like that concept of like this is what he looked like when he was a jedi, basically yeah I did.
Speaker 1:You know, like that scene where vader, like you can, you can tell like even with the mask on, that he's like really wrestling with himself when Palpatine is hitting him with Luke with lightning trying to kill him and that little seed that was planted by Luke you know of, they're still good in you. It's like it kind of blossomed because you know, when he was Anakin he was really excited about like having children with Padme. So like maybe those old feelings kind of like came back and he's like, you know, here's my son in front of me. We've, you know, like in a messed up way, they kind of reconnected and he's like you know he's about to die.
Speaker 2:I can't let that happen speaking of, like you know, him eventually taking off the mask. I I, I agree with you, anthony. I think that that, like his acting even underneath, like, like with the mask on is is really impressive. You know, like being able to emote without your face. It's not something everyone is tough yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So one thing that like we can kind of explore nowadays because you know we've had several like tv shows that exist in this universe at this point is the symbolism of how Luke was the only one to ever truly take the mask off of Vader. We had Sokka fighting Vader in Rebels and she slashes his mask and like one of his eyes is, you know, is shown to the screen. It's like half his face or like a little bit less than half of his face.
Speaker 2:And then in the Obii-wan kenobi series, kenobi was able to like take the other half of the mask off but it was never a full mask that they were able to remove, and in both of those moments there's there's clearly still good in him yeah like there's he's, there's something fighting from the inside to come out. But it's not until this movie, where you know luke is actually capable of you know, just with love. Yeah was able to take off the mask for for vader.
Speaker 1:I think that's like just symbolically so cool he didn't want to fight, like the amount of times that he tried to deflect the the fight that you know, despite everything, that luke was showing that compassion towards darth vader when, in a world like when, anybody would want to take vader out, he's like the person that that's the closest that would easily probably be able to. And he was in that moment where he could have ended it all and he still decided not to do it. And I feel like that, that moment where luke tosses his, his lightsaber, like you know, I don't, I don't think like people realize, like how powerful that is, like he's, like I'm not, you know he could have easily just deactivated and placed it, but he's like he didn't even want to have it near him in that moment, you know it was almost a temptation to take a life right he wasn't willing to, you know right, right when, the when, that that disillusion that you genuinely feel, when you're feeling a strong emotion kind of washes away and like if you did something in that moment.
Speaker 1:It's that kind of like that realization. I mean, anakin has that, you know, when he cuts off Mace Windu's hands and, like you know, palpatine kills him, he kind of that moment's like you know, oh my God, like what have I done? You know, it's like Luke has, you know, that kind of like that same personality in a sense, but he's able to dial it back before it goes too far.
Speaker 2:Let's talk a little bit about Yoda, because he's in it briefly and it's a. It's a fairly important scene for the old master rich.
Speaker 3:How do you feel about 900 year old Yoda. Well, first, I love the. There's like a meme or whatever of like Yoda passing away and it's compared to like parenting and having to listen to your he's like. Now I know how Yoda felt when, when your kids talking to you for like 10 hours rambling on about something.
Speaker 3:You're just too tired, you just turn over and croak. I really liked it here. I was actually kind of marveling a little bit at the puppetry and just kind of how good it looks. You know like I've been watching. You know I've seen Revenge of the Sith four times today and yesterday parts of it. So I've seen a lot of Yoda, cgi Yoda, and I just kind of liked seeing. I liked seeing Puppet Yoda. I thought it looked really great. It also leads into the great scene where Obi-Wan is a duplicitous lying guy and Luke calls him out on it. I kind of love. So the only thing that I, you know, only so what. So you say Han's been frozen in carbonite for a year, so slightly before that is when you know Yoda last saw Luke and kind of just talking about how his training is complete and I'm just like wait what?
Speaker 2:It clearly wasn't complete last time he left. Yeah, it's only been a year, Like what?
Speaker 3:happened. He hasn't seen you, you know, obviously we don't know how much. I mean even vader, later in the movie, he's like obi-wan has trained you. Well, it's like, well, actually obi-wan hung out with luke for a little bit and then I just I don't.
Speaker 3:I understand some of the other control aspects of the force that maybe, even through being a force ghost, obi-wan could have, you know, shared with luke to improve his skills. But like, did they do sword play too? Like, did he, like, as a ghost, be like? One point you know, like I don't. That's the one thing that I don't. How did luke increase his sword play being the only like, does he have any boys who also have lightsabers? I mean, it's just, you know, I don't know if I needed more of a passage of time. Obviously all of these questions are answered in some sort of you know, comic or novel. That you know. I don't know if I needed more of a passage of time. Obviously all of these questions are answered in some sort of you know comic or novel. That you know that that's out there.
Speaker 2:They have that's. That's a great thing about star wars that you know I've mentioned a couple times on this podcast is, if you don't like something or you don't get something about star wars, all you got to do is consume more star wars people will answer it eventually they will get to that particular issue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know you know, the thing about the thing about yoda is that you know, with as much like joda, yoda has been through so much and nothing could kill him except for old age.
Speaker 1:It's crazy that he lasted 900 years like it is insane, but he made it that is, that is um I mean like just like when you read through some of the the high republic stuff, like even at that point he's hundreds of years old. I'm like, oh my gosh, like this dude is still really, really old. But at that point you're thinking he's younger, but he's still really old. It's wild.
Speaker 2:But I love that line that he says to Luke when I die, the last of the Jedi will be. I think that that's such a powerful moment for the film, because at that point Luke is truly alone. He's lost all the mentor figures, even though he really hasn't, because they just turn up as ghosts.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right then and there. But it is just like a powerful moment and you kind of have to wonder, like, what are they going to do with, like the Calcestuses of the galaxy that are just still out there? Oh and speaking of Calcestuses, have you guys been watching Skeleton Crew?
Speaker 3:Yep Dude.
Speaker 2:Calcestus is not in that, but we do have Jod, who is clearly a former Jedi. Anthony, are you caught up?
Speaker 1:No, I'm not caught up. I need to. I'm like a couple episodes behind okay, so I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna spoil anything there, but some major stuff has happened in the past couple episodes with jod and like I'm really starting to question like are you a good guy or or what? Like I have no idea with him okay.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna be honest with you from the beginning. I have a theory that he actually may be a sith okay like because he continually says that he's not a Jedi. I mean, obviously he's a force user but, like you know, maybe he's. He was like maybe a former inquisitor or something, like you know, maybe he got got away, you know, and and I feel like a good, like I mean, if you, if you were going to be a bad type of character anyway, why not go pirate, you know?
Speaker 2:so yeah, well, I don't know that he was. He could be ex-sith or like, maybe like an inquisitor or something, or maybe just a sith apprentice that never got anywhere yeah but he does have jedi lines that he occasionally drops.
Speaker 2:Like a couple episodes ago he said a quote from qui-gon where he says your focus determines your reality. Like that's very clearly a a qui-gon centric quote. So I don't know, like I, I really I'm I'm so lost about like who this guy is, because I feel like I think the finale is next week. They left us off on a huge cliffhanger. I'm not gonna, you know, spoil that for you, anthony. And neither is rich right, rich keep it safe, keep it secret.
Speaker 2:Good, well, yeah, it's, it's. It's the mystery is there. I'm excited to see what they do with that yeah, I gotta catch up. But yeah, man, I is is the season finale next week. Hold on, let me just double check that how many episodes are out?
Speaker 1:six or seven, seven, all right then. Yeah, it'll be next week. It's eight episodes. I think that it is a time to kind of close this out. Do we have any last minute things to say about return of the jedi rich?
Speaker 3:it's top to bottom. I mean, just get to see you, get to see our boy, admiral akbar. It's trap. There's just, uh, you know, knee and nubs, woohoo, a celebration when they blow up. I just I love, I really love all. I love all the characters. Chewbacca's hair looks great in this movie. Like they figured it out. He's using some mousse or something. He's got some nice height to that hair. It doesn't look matted, it doesn't look frizzy.
Speaker 3:It's like they really perfected the chewbacca look, I think, in return of the jedi just started to comb yeah, I mean, you know you get I just the both ends of the pit of like like there's so many parts of this that so many characters gold. Yeah, I just I love so much of this and yeah, you know it may not be. I guess if you're taking it as a stand alone movie it's not the best one. But I don't know how you can watch it and not just kind of be happy at the end yeah, yeah, and that that final like tune that's playing oh man, where you know it's.
Speaker 2:It's just like heartwarming, you know, like the. Finally the galaxy is free of oppression. Using, using for now, as far as we know as a drum.
Speaker 3:Yes, how nice is that the ewoks are like hey, let's cannibalize these guys uh clothes, uh armor and use it as a musical instruments to forever remember that we defeated and killed them yeah, no, it's, it's fantastic.
Speaker 2:But I tend to really enjoy this movie for the most part. I understand its flaws.
Speaker 2:I understand that it suffers from like verisimilitude issues, which is kind of like would this actually happen, like in the real world of star wars, and you know there's certain like things within it that are kind of like corny and whatever, so I I can understand people's issues there, but overall I really enjoy it. You know, the speeder bike chase is so cool. Like the sound effect design was top notch, especially in that. Let's see. Yeah, there's so much in this movie that I really enjoy, like certain team ups, like getting Lando in the Falcon. I love that, just there's. There's a lot to love about this movie and there's a lot to be critical of, but I'd rather not be overly critical.
Speaker 1:No, I agree, I think that this is a really good like close out for that original trilogy. I feel like they, you know, like you said, you know it's not a perfect film but I mean, none of the Star Wars films are really like inherently perfect, but they are charming in their own right and you know that's what this movie is. It's, it's got its, its charm. It's also has its fun zaniness to it and it is a fun watch and it's very much so. It's not one of those one, those movies that leaves you off with a cliffhanger. You know some.
Speaker 1:You know there's some like movies that kind of off with a cliffhanger. You know some. You know there's some like movies that kind of leave you with like more questions by the end, you know, and like this one kind of it's like okay, you know this has happened, the empire is defeated, you know the galaxy is, you know it's, it's in peace. You know they could have ended it out at that point and it and we would have been none the wiser. They didn't have to add any more of the films, maybe the prequels, but other than that, like they could have that, that could have been it, you know, and so, yeah, no, I, I enjoyed it yeah, I, what I, what I always think about this movie is that it broke the third film curse where a lot of times third film trilogies are the worst.
Speaker 2:You know, you think of the matrix trilogy, the, the Mummy trilogy, jaws, superman. There's a bunch of third movies out there that are just absolute trash compared to the other ones in the series, and I'm just scratching the surface there. But with Star Wars and then later Indiana Jones, they really cracked the code with those particular movies in ways that just heighten the adventure and the joy of the viewer fan base. So I'm really happy about that. Guys, should we stick in the star wars realm for our next episode?
Speaker 1:all right, captain what did you want to do?
Speaker 2:did you want to split skeleton crew up into two parts? Because I think the finale is next week, so it's it's prime time yeah, we could do that yeah yeah, go, go from old to a new star Wars thing.
Speaker 3:That'd be cool. I ain't ever heard of no skeleton crew.
Speaker 2:I ain't never heard of no at-at-in. I love that. I love this show so much. All right guys. Thank you so much for listening to us here for episode 106 of Project Geekology. It was really fun talking about Return of the Jedi. Next week we're going to be covering the first four episodes of Skeleton Cruise, season 1. We're extremely excited to finally dig deep into that. We've been kind of discussing it.
Speaker 1:In circles.
Speaker 2:In circles since the past couple weeks, but now we're actually going to a night to the roundtable, sort of like we need to talk about this. So yeah, episode 107. Listen to us here wherever you listen to your podcast. If you would like to check out any of our socials, be sure to click into the show notes down below, and we're gonna need one of those five-star reviews, specifically anthony. What do we, what do we always say?
Speaker 1:we need that juicy. Five-star man, you know that fresh filet. Imagine that, that sizzle. You know, as dakota said a couple episodes ago, you know, like at chili's, you know you're hearing that sizzle and you know it's got to be that juicy it's got to be that, juicy guys.
Speaker 2:All right, we'll talk to you next week. Guys have a good one bye y'all may the force be with you the wolverine.
