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Logan (2017)
Ready to hear why "Logan" is not just another superhero movie? Join us for Project Geekology's 88th episode as we unpack the 2017 film that redefined the X-Men franchise, starring Hugh Jackman in his final(not really) bow as Wolverine. We start off with Anthony's recent gaming escapades, including his surprisingly balanced take on the Suicide Squad game, despite its mixed reviews. Plus, get his thoughts on World of Warcraft and his budding interest in the new Suicide Squad isekai anime, setting the stage for a bigger conversation about why game studios need to listen to their fans.
Ever wondered how "Logan" managed to stand out in a crowded superhero landscape? We discuss "Logan's" mature and gritty tone, exploring how "Deadpool" might have paved the way for its success. As Anthony gears up for an appearance at Supercon on behalf of Crunchyroll, we're also teasing an upcoming Star Wars-themed episode designed to help newcomers navigate the expansive galaxy far, far away. Whether you're into movies, TV shows, gaming, or novels, we've got tips for every type of Star Wars fan.
Daphne Keen's portrayal of X-23 is nothing short of phenomenal, and we break down her fierce fight scenes and emotional depth. The film's poignant portrayal of aging heroes like Charles Xavier and Wolverine adds another layer of complexity, making "Logan" a truly unique entry in the superhero genre. As we reflect on the themes of mortality and legacy, you'll hear why this movie resonates on an emotional level. Stick around for a sneak peek at Dakota's Time Saber whip and an invitation for Star Wars enthusiasts to join us next time for more geeky goodness.
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How's it going, guys? Welcome back to Project Geekology. My name is Dakota and I'm joined, as always, with Anthony, and today's our 88th episode. We're going to be covering Logan, the 2017 film starring Hugh Jackman. It's the third Wolverine film starring Hugh Jackman. Some might call it a trilogy, even though it's probably the most disjointed like solo trilogy of all time, like they don't really connect at all. But we're going to be getting more into that in just a few moments. Let's briefly talk about what we've been up to this past week and, yeah, what are you up to, anthony?
Speaker 2:what have I been up to? I have been up to nothing, good, nothing good. Yeah, man, just being a nerd playing games pure evil. You know, honestly, just doing myself working on my projects, doing a bit of gaming, nice noise you know what is the game that you've been playing the most of the?
Speaker 2:game. So steam has they have their summer sale going on right now, which some of their best sales are going on at the moment and I ended up buying. I bought a few like really cheap games and I ended up buying. I I bought a few like really cheap games and I think the most expensive one that I bought which wasn't even like expensive, it was like 20 bucks is the suicide squad game oh, okay, is that out?
Speaker 2:oh it's, I didn't even realize that was a dude, yeah, the suicide squad game has been out for a while and it came out to, like you know, some pretty dismal reviews. It's a live service game. Uh, it's like one of those like kind of looter shooters, you like upgrade your weapons and stuff, and so, you know, I mean, like I get it, like I see it, I can justify playing it at 20, though it's not a bad game. It's not for 25 for sure, dude, I mean, come on man, I don't know if I would have spent $70 on it, though, I'll be honest, there's definitely some, I guess, like less than desirable aspects of it. And yeah, I mean, yeah, dude, like why would you make this game a live service game?
Speaker 1:Makes no sense, especially for those of you who are listening, who don't know what a live service game is Anthony explain it to us.
Speaker 2:So a live service game is one of those games that you're pretty much on the internet like all the time and that it's got like. You know the battle passes. Games like overwatch and destiny, those are live service games. Fortnite, to be specific, those are all live service games.
Speaker 1:You know they're on the internet all the time, but those are fantastic games. So why is this not a good game for live service?
Speaker 2:It's just not built like it. It shouldn't have been a live service game. I mean, this is coming from the same studio that we got these fantastic Batman games, you know Right, and even the less desirable one, which I know a lot of people had some gripes about arkham knight. I still have a lot of fun with arkham knight. It's like, dude, like why did you guys go that route, you know, and it makes it seem like it's a cash grab type of move, and so I mean it really shifted a lot for WB. Wb doesn't want to do games anymore, really because of that.
Speaker 2:That's unfortunate yeah yeah, so it's, you know. It's just there's some people there that you know they make bad decisions. I really do think that a lot of these game studios, they need people to ground them, like they need like an actual like I don't know, like know, like people who like pay people that aren't employees, to like come in and to be like, hey look, we're gonna bounce this off and get the general consensus because, you know, and if they do that, then they're not listening to them, because obviously a lot of people don't like this type of stuff. You know, I mean, there's a, you know there is a crowd for it, but yeah, you know, but you've been enjoying the suicides god game, yeah it's pretty cool, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know you gotta take down the justice league, so that's important. Yes, yes, remember when we talked about the announcement of this game in our second episode, I believe. Yeah, our actual, like our first episode, was an introductory and then, yeah, we covered.
Speaker 1:Right, and that was back in like 2020. Yeah, that was during COVID.
Speaker 2:And then I think this game came out. Let's see Suicide squad game. So this one, this one came out in February of this year, so Okay, so it hasn't been super long, but it's been a while right, right, I mean we're coming up on.
Speaker 2:You know, we're like a little over three years at that point of announcement. So, yeah, yeah, no, it's interesting. And also, speaking of suicide squad, I haven't watched it yet, but there's that anime that came out, the suicide squad isekai I didn't watch it, but I've heard that people are enjoying it for the most part.
Speaker 1:You know they're people have their gripes, but I've heard that people are enjoying it, so I'm actually excited to jump in on that yeah, yeah, I definitely want to check that out any other games outside of suicide squad that you've been dabbling in?
Speaker 2:dude, you know always I decided to. You know I've been playing a bit of wow. You know I'm back on that. That, like you know, a little bit of a wild kick. I might not play it every night but I'll hop on and maybe level up one or two levels every time I hop on. I've been enjoying building up a mage. You know I'm doing, I'm playing a fire mage. Dude, let me tell you world of warcraft, especially like if you're not doing anything active, like dungeoning or or even like raiding, I mean you can with a dungeon, like you know, like regular dungeons, not like a mythic one, but like you know, dude, it's like the perfect, like just podcast game, like you can put something else and watch something as you kind of just grind away oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the quests are fairly simple generally right, right so nice man yeah I enjoy that when I don't feel like being too engrossed into like a cinematic story, you know so yeah no, I've been really enjoying that. How about you, like? What have you been up to?
Speaker 1:last week has just been kind of hectic for me because I've been doing a bunch of random stuff getting ready for a trip. I'm gonna go to florida for two weeks. Your neck of the woods.
Speaker 1:I'll be in your neck of the woods for a little bit in the neck of the woods we'll definitely find some time to hang out between the time that this podcast releases and the next podcast anthony and I will probably have shared. I don't know, we'll drink a little bit. Probably We'll have a good time. I'm really excited. So I'm doing a week in the Miami area, which is where my family is from, and then doing a couple of days up in Central Florida to visit my grandmother like Central Florida, obviously and then we'll do a couple of days in Disney. So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 2:Dwelled. The last time you came down was what in like February. So the fact that you're I don't think you've come to Florida this much in a year, in a long time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, my wife, jen, she basically she got the Disney annual pass, so we're testing that out, seeing if it's actually like worth it.
Speaker 1:So this year is kind of like a test to see if it's viable, if it's worth it, if it's actually, you know, still fun after going as often as we have, which isn't very often, it's maybe like once every three or four months. Um, that's what I'll be doing in the next couple weeks. So I'll be gone for two weeks, but we're recording two podcasts tonight so that we can make up for that a little bit. We're doing this episode about logan and then we're recording, right after this, an episode about star wars, not just like any particular star wars, but a shorter episode on how to get into star wars and perhaps our love of star wars, where it originated, where it is now. You know, stuff that how to get into different aspects of the Star Wars universe, like gaming and comics and novels perhaps. And yeah, so I don't think we've ever had a podcast where we've really like dived into that specifically and like you know how to jump in in a galaxy as big as star wars and I feel like you know, especially with that episode.
Speaker 2:I think it would be a good kind of launching point for future episodes like that, because there's so many other fandoms that we do enjoy. That may seem a little confusing for some fans because I mean, believe it or not, we were making that star wars episode, but there are a lot of people out there that have not taken the dive into Star Wars.
Speaker 1:You're telling me, bro, I, I, I finally released the time saber and I did a short video maybe not that short, it's a 20 minute video on like how the time saber works and everything. And, yeah, I'm gonna be touching more on that in the next podcast that we record about. You know how to get into star wars? Because I have a free version of the timeline that anyone can download, so we'll leave a link in the next podcast for that right, well, well, actually we have.
Speaker 2:I I posted the link for that youtube in the last episode. Okay, I'll post it in this episode also, and then we'll post it in that upcoming episode we're posting it non-stop guys not everywhere, all the time yeah, and you're listening to this.
Speaker 1:Now we've at least I have seen episode six of the acolyte. Anthony is a little bit behind on that, so he hasn't caught up. But we're not going to be talking spoilers about acolyte or even like the original trilogy.
Speaker 2:I think we're going to try to stay away from spoilers as much as possible, just so that we give you guys the opportunity to you know experience that podcast without having to worry about you know right right, like we don't want it to be a daunting episode, we want it to be an episode for, I would say, like a range of different people, complete beginners to people who have indulged in star wars for a while but may not know how to get into it with the reading material.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, like I was saying earlier, I still regularly get DMs about like, well, what do you recommend watching first? The prequels or the original trilogy? Should I add the shows into the mix? Should I make it a whole chronological thing? Should I add Solo and Rogue One and all that? And I think that's, you know, it's a discussion that I feel like needs to be had, because there are people genuinely curious. They see that it's such a huge phenomenon, kind of like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and you know, there are people who are perhaps very daunting, like star wars, which has 11 or 12 films at this point, a whole bunch of shows, a whole bunch of comics, and anyway, we'll get into that in the next episode absolutely and then after that, anthony, you're going to be in super con, right?
Speaker 2:yes, I will have a convention. That's going to be happening july 12th to the 14th and so the episode following the Star Wars episode will be my kind of annual, because I've done episodes on Supercon before for the past couple of years. But you know, while Dakota is away on vacation, it'll be a nice little mini-sode to cover my time at Supercon. And I'm pretty excited because I was telling Dakota before we started recording that the press pass for this year had crunchy roll on it. I'm like, oh, you know it's sponsored by crunchy roll.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, we got some crunchy roll stuff going on and you know, I remember crunchy roll having a thing at nycc, so I'm hoping that they've got some going on, and super con. So I will keep you all updated as far as that. You know. Hopefully they have something going on and I'll remember. But like, yeah, they did this, but if they don't, and I don't say anything about it, that's because nothing, nothing happened.
Speaker 1:So but yeah, should we jump into our discussion of logan logan?
Speaker 2:yes the wall logan Logan Logan.
Speaker 1:Yes, the Wolf Logan. So this is an amazing film. Like how did this happen? How did they make such a good movie?
Speaker 2:By making it not feel like an X-Men film.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's one of the most bizarre, but it is still an X-Men film. It's an X-Men film.
Speaker 2:To its core Right. It doesn't feel like everything that we've gotten up to this point. It's a mature film, dude, I think and I don't know if you've read anything as far as this but I feel like deadpool maybe did a lot for this film. You know deadpool was kind of like. You know it was like oh, you know, people love r-rated films. Let's see what we can do with Wolverine, and they picked a really cool storyline.
Speaker 1:Yeah, really, really briefly, I just want to mention that you might hear fireworks going off behind me.
Speaker 2:And me.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes, it is currently July 3rd. For whatever reason, my town is doing their 4th of July celebration a day early 3rd of July celebration a day early so I can sometimes see my audio recording peaking a little bit or not peaking, but I can see the wavelengths whenever there's a bigger boom.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so.
Speaker 1:I apologize about that, but you were saying that Deadpool opened the door to rated R superhero movies.
Speaker 2:I feel like it helped urge that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, 100% rated r superhero movies. I feel like it helped urge that. Oh yeah, 100. And at the time deadpool became the highest grossing rated r movie ever, like it was by a long shot. At that point I don't think logan quite hit that mark, even though it definitely deserved to get that same level of, you know, box office gross. But yeah, I think whether or not this movie was ever going, it was always going to be, you know, a darker movie. You know you can't really do this story without it being super dark and moody, and it may as well be a rated r movie, you know what I'm right, right, yeah, it's that old man logan storyline yeah, so we're kind of thrown into this movie with logan.
Speaker 1:He's hit rock bottom yeah, he has. He is down, bad, he's not healing like he used to. He does have healing properties, but his body is not healing like it used to. You know, like it's slower.
Speaker 1:And we learn later in the movie that this is all due to the adamantium in his, in his body that's been slowly poisoning him yes which I thought was a really interesting twist, because you know he's had it, for I think this movie takes place in 2029, so he had got it in the 80s, so it's almost 40 ish. Little over 40 years later. He's starting to really die from this thing that's poisoning him from the inside out.
Speaker 2:And I feel like, you know, his regeneration helped a lot with that. If this was a person or a mutant without regeneration that had this adamantium in their body, they probably would have died a lot quicker. So I feel like the regeneration really had slowed that process. But yeah, you know, logan, he's not looking good. You know he's aging faster than he usually does. You know he's really feeling his injuries now. It takes a while.
Speaker 1:And age is starting to creep up to him. You know, like he has always been immortal, basically Like he cannot die unless he's shot in the head with an adamantium bullet, which a couple films ago, couple films ago, he was shot in the head with an adamantium bullet and that all it did, all that bullet did, was delete his memory so now we're back to now we're back to the adamantium bullet, like being the way to go, you know that's it.
Speaker 1:That's it okay. So this is really funny. If you haven't seen our or if you haven't listened to our video video.
Speaker 1:So if you haven't listened to our podcast on X-Men Origins Wolverine, the first of the three solo Wolverine movies, there's a really ridiculous like plot contrivance where the only way to kill Wolverine is to shoot him in the head with an adamantium bullet and then later in the movie someone says something along the lines of I don't think that'll kill him, I don't think that'll kill him and and basically the doctor somehow knows that if you shoot him in the head with this, he'll lose his memory, which he does after being shot in the head with an adamantium bullet. So x-men origins wolverine adamantium bullet, that's. That's why he doesn't have any memory of, you know, his time in alkali lake and all that it's. It's crazy, it's like an actual crazy story thing.
Speaker 2:It is crazy. And then, like you have the wolverine where there's the silver samurai and you know it was this whole suit and like sword made out of adamantium. But the only way that the adamantium could really like be damaged is if it was like superheated yes, which?
Speaker 1:in the first or in x2? If you go back to x2, they literally say once it's cooled down, you can never remelt it like it's. That's literally like part of adamantium's properties like it just cannot be destroyed. So it's there's a whole bunch of adamantium nonsense in these x-men movies that I feel like they really got to nail down and when it went you know, when they make the jump to the mcu.
Speaker 2:Well, I do feel like like adamantium, like I mean, if that's the case, then how can you melt it?
Speaker 1:to begin with, you know, so it's an alloy, so it's two metals or two, or it's it's more than one metal melted together to bond into a like a compound metal that, for whatever reason, just becomes indestructible. Like you can't, like you can't break it you can't melt it, you can't.
Speaker 2:It's just the perfect metal, I guess except if it's super, super heated or shot with other adamantium yes, then then it's, which also like how wouldn't that damage the gun?
Speaker 1:you know, like if, if it's an adamantium shell and bullet, maybe the shell itself isn't adamantium but, like the, the bullet itself might be.
Speaker 2:But either way, like that the casing the casing might not be, you just need the gun powder in the casing is really just pushing this adamantium tip out and creating the damage? Yeah, it's. Yeah. No, you're right. I mean, there's just so much like ridiculous ridiculousness going on, but yeah. So, aside from the ridiculousness of adamantium, did you have anything else to say?
Speaker 1:no, I was gonna just segue, but I do like the fact that in this movie he has Whiskey claws. In this movie he is carrying literal adamantium bullet. That's his way out, basically, and he's just waiting for the day when he has literally nothing left to live for. As it stands, he still has a couple people he's living for. He's trying to make money to buy charles xavier the medication that he needs to stop him from having seizures, which is a whole other like, like, interesting like yeah, kind of worms that they opened up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, one of the strongest minds in the world with alzheimer's, dude that's, and seizures alzheimer's and seizures it's.
Speaker 1:It's very scary like the alzheimer's.
Speaker 2:No one's ever really thought about that the alzheimer's isn't like what's the worst part, it's the seizures. That's when it just like it's all buck wild. But yeah, logan, he wants to save up that money because he wants to admit and it makes sense why he wants to do this. He wants to get a boat and take charles out to sea and, honestly, like it's kind of protecting. He's like doing it in a way to protect them and to protect people around him, because when these seizures happen like it affects a huge radius of people yeah, so we see it.
Speaker 1:We see it a couple times throughout the movie, but the most prominent scene is when he's in the hotel in vegas and you see everybody in the hotel when he's having that seizure uh like frozen, but they're suffocating too.
Speaker 1:Like they're paralyzed, but they're suffocating and you can tell that they're in excruciating pain at the same time, you know like their eyes are scrunched up, because you know just like their heads basically exploding because this guy's, you know, having this crazy seizure. And they mentioned that this has happened before in Westchester. There was a Westchester incident with 600 people affected and several casualties, including, I think they said, seven X-Men.
Speaker 2:They did.
Speaker 1:It's so sad, like for a character like him, who spent his entire life to help these mutants like find a path for themselves, then to be that guy who, because of an accident or because of failing health, caused their deaths. That's got to kill him and that's probably, you know, like that put his dementia, this alzheimer's probably on a super track because he didn't want to remember it, you know yeah, yeah, and I mean this entire film.
Speaker 2:It's sad dude. This is a sad movie.
Speaker 1:I think I cried like twice, at least you know.
Speaker 2:It's just yeah, man.
Speaker 1:We're getting like full spoilers. Obviously, logan dies, logan dies.
Speaker 2:I mean at this point, this movie's been out since 2017, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but when? But like you know that it's gonna happen, like you feel it, it's the entire movie is leading up to, it's foreshadowed, throughout the entire film. Like you know, it's gonna happen. It's just a matter of when, I mean. And then they, they try to throw in like little, like bits of hope here and there, with the introduction of jack, I mean. Laura.
Speaker 1:Yes, daphne Keene, probably best known for her work as X-23 in this movie Logan. She's a character in the Acolyte and, yeah, I don't want to spoil anything, but she had a pretty great scene. I'm trying to come up with something punny to do with hole punchers, but I'm not gonna. No, but she had a really cool scene in episode five of the acolyte really awesome scene. I'm not gonna talk too much about that, but anyway, what do you think of daphne keen as x23?
Speaker 2:absolutely like fantastic such a good character, so good so good and, like you know, x23 being a clone of wolverine and then, like you know, later in the comics she becomes like an adoptive daughter, so he pretty much like adopts himself, you know, but it's like a female him, you know. And, dude, like she has the mannerisms like down pat, like you can tell that, like, yes, she is related to wolverine in some kind of way because she has, like that anger that I mean, dude, she's a beast fury, she is a beast and like you see the way that she fights and like how like nimble and flexible and all the flips, and I'm like, oh my gosh, like she's like insane.
Speaker 2:You know, wolverineine is crazy. He has training and training too, but like dude, like I mean, he's like brute strength. She's got a little bit of that, but she's also got a lot of like quickness too, and you know she has like the toe claws too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so she has two claws in her hands but she has the single like toe knife in that like juts out of her her, like her toes I guess I don't know it sounds ridiculous, but then you see the way that she uses it and you're like, yeah okay, yes, it's, it's vicious, you know she's, she's kicking, she's, she's doing, she's kind of like a cat, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because she's like crawling all over the place and like yeah, just like flipping people. Yeah, dude, it's so, it's. She is like a proficient fighter and she's like 12 yeah, fantastic performance by daphne kane.
Speaker 1:You really feel that this is like an actual character who needs help throughout the entire movie. So the basic premise with her is we find out that she has been smuggled away from a facility in Mexico where they are making new mutants because, for whatever reason, there has been no new mutant births in 25 years. So since basically the third X-Men movie around that time and this, this woman who worked at the facility, a Mexican woman, took this girl, laura, under her wing and is looking to find Logan to take her to this place in North Dakota which she calls Eden. We find out later that this Eden was an actual location that they found in an X-Men comic book and I like in this universe that the X-Men have become kind of someone's cartoonized or comic bookified, these real life characters into comic books and and throughout the entire movie. You know, after logan finds out that this is like not a real place, he is super adamant about not taking her, but laura is extremely passionate about like we have to go here, we have to go, and it just kind of becomes like a all right, begrudgingly drag charles xavier and laura all the way to north dakota. So that we find out later.
Speaker 1:This is a campground that the other kids in the facility have basically like commandeered, you know, as a meetup to cross the border into canada, where they have some sort of safe haven, which I think is a great concept. You know, like it goes to show, like that kind of, you know, life finds a way that, even though mutants have been functionally extinct for 25 years, there is hope for the next generation of mutants. And, you know, even though the x-men after wolverine dies are gone, you know, their legacy lives on in these kids and I love that, I love that message. I think it's really cool when laura, you know, like moved the cross into an x to like symbolize that this was an x-men. Oh, my heart dude, I was, I was, I was weeping on my couch yeah, dude, that it was.
Speaker 2:and then you see, you know, this film, logan goes from this place not having much to fight for to like having something to fight for with laura, you know, and he kind of goes from like this oh, you know, this is a burden, you know, she's a burden to like. You know, yeah, like you start to see kind of like that parental, dysfunctional, parental role, kind of pop in, especially that there's that one part where they're at the gas station and she's like kind of like going around and like picking stuff up, you know like doing kids stuff right, eating chips, and you know like the guy's like no, like you got to pay for that, and she goes to run out, he steps in front of her and then she's like about to just like massacre this guy and then, like logan pops in, like no like, oh, I'm sorry for her like dude, like that was not normal no, but my favorite part of that interaction is that, like, while he's on the ground, logan's like, hey, do you got any phone chargers?
Speaker 1:and then he just steals a phone charger and a cigar I love it.
Speaker 1:What's kind of a difficult thing about this movie is that, like there's a lot of good people that we meet along the way that are kind of caught in the crossfire of this good deed of taking laura to her promised land, basically, and you have, you have all of these characters like there. There's that, the family, I think nate. Nate is the son I'm looking hold on, I'm looking at the cast right now the munsons, you you have will munson, nate munson and the mother. I forget her name, katherine is what the casting call is saying yeah, this part of the movie was definitely really sad you know, even though, like they were having a great time with these people, they were having dinner with them.
Speaker 1:Charles was on his best behavior. You know he was, he was, he was living large. You knew it wasn't going to end well for anybody involved. You know, just because people around wolverine, when stuff gets good, when stuff gets lighthearted, stuff tends to go downhill and that's exactly what happens.
Speaker 2:Man can't catch a break.
Speaker 1:Man cannot catch a break. I do want to talk a little bit about the interaction that he had with the father in that scene. He helped the father fixed that pipe that was being sabotaged by, I guess, whoever owns that farm or whatever, and he gets in the way of these bullies to. They're not bullies but, like you know, they were threatening this guy's livelihood, whatever I mean no, you're right though.
Speaker 2:I mean they are bullying this man. You know like they're messing with their water yes, yes it is.
Speaker 1:It is bullying, but like it's, it's a little worse than that, because they're actually like you know that they're bringing guns to the exchange.
Speaker 1:They're right, right, like they're clearly bribing him and holding something account or holding something against him. But you know, wolverine makes quick work of them and as soon as they get home, basically like these people turn around, so the bullies, the you know the people who are threatening this guy's livelihood, come back to his house looking for blood. They gathered more men and just around that time the people from alkali show up and it just becomes a whole other issue. But like, I want to ask you, like, what do you think would have happened had those alkali people not shown up at that exact moment? Like would wolverine and this family have been able to escape that unscathed had had, you know, those military men not also shown up at the same time?
Speaker 2:that's a good question. I mean there is a possibility.
Speaker 2:Who knows, maybe charles could use some of his magic if he had been woken up or something not magic, but you know kind of what he did because, like, they meet this family by them helping, because there's like kind of like an incident on the highway where there's, like you know, kind of an accident, but not not anybody getting smashed, and this family they have horses and the horses get like kind of you know, the cage breaks and they get let out. And so, charles, you know he uses his ability to kind of like, or his powers to like calm the minds of the horses and kind of bring him in line back to the family and that was a cool scene.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was cool.
Speaker 1:I like that. I like what he says in the vehicle, like Logan, should we help them. And then he goes, someone will come along, and then he says someone already has talking about them. You know, I love that.
Speaker 2:I love stuff like that with with charles yeah, it's like you know charles is dealing with a lot. You know he's kind of he's losing his faculties, he's got these seizures going on and he's got a lot weighing down on him because he does know about what happened, he does have memories of the Westchester incident and he holds a lot of that on to him and the fact that he still has like this real good nature to want to help, Like it's still Charles. You can still see the Charles that, like you know, especially these movies that we've grown up to and watched. That is the same Charles. It's just you know he's losing it. We've grown up to and watched. That is the same Charles. It's just you know he's losing it a bit.
Speaker 1:For sure, yeah, for sure. That's something I wanted to say, I think you know, speaking about, like these characters. They're aging, they're nearing the end of their lives altogether. It's almost and I think this was meant to be this way where, like, they purposely aged up the characters to a point where they were no longer like fully functional mutants or humans. You know, and I think it was a kind of a meta discussion on, like, what happens to your heroes over time. You know, like even a meta discussion about actors. You know, like these actors have been playing this role for going on 20 years.
Speaker 1:At this point by this movie, it was 2017, so they had been actively playing these roles for 15 to 17 years, and that's a long time for a role, like a single role of theirs, you know, and in most cases, that doesn't ever happen.
Speaker 1:You know, like most, I don't know, I think that's at that point, longer than any single character has currently been in the mcu, you know, or single actor has currently been in the mcu, and this whole movie is kind of built around this concept that, like you know, eventually you gotta let go. You gotta let go of your heroes, even though you know we're gonna see logan again soon. And you know Hugh Jackman is 55 now, a little bit older, but like he's still got the will to play the character. So I'm excited to see what they do with that and how they kind of work around what happened in this movie. But it is a really just powerful concept Because you know, even though you have a character like Wolverine, who's technically immortal, if Wolverine, who's technically immortal, if the writer wants to kill him off, like the writer can kill him off, and that's exactly what they do here. James Mangold does a fantastic job of like showing mortality even for the people we look up to and like how messy that could be.
Speaker 2:Right, and with the way that Marvel is going now with, like the whole multiverse stuff, you can always like pull this person back in, you know.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, that's a good point. Yes, yes, and that's exactly what they're doing. You know it is. It's amazing that, like Hugh Jackman has been in this role for so long, but he's beloved, you know, like he's not a very all right, don't get me wrong. He's a fantastic Wolverine. I think he was built for that role, but on paper, you know, prior to there being any X-Men movies, have you just been a comic book reader? He's too tall, he's not stocky enough, he's not Canadian. There's a bunch of stuff that Hugh Jackman doesn't necessarily fit the role for Wolverine but he makes the role his own and people have loved that and I think he gets the character. He gets the anger and the I. I think he's also like a little too good looking for wolverine, because wolverine isn't technically a good looking character in the comics. So it's.
Speaker 2:It's just kind of funny how, you know, people tend to fall in love with these actors playing these characters to the point where, like, it's very hard to let go yes, and it will be interesting when you know, even though this was technically Hugh Jackman letting go of the character, we as fans didn't let him, you know, in a way, which is why he's back as you know it, it is tough and and I totally get what you're talking about as far as, like, the looks of hugh jackman, but I feel like he was passable enough to make it work right.
Speaker 2:And then everything else kind of came into play and that's what made it like kind of rounded out. It was like, okay, there there was, you know, the clay was there, the mold was there, but it wasn't really filled out until, like the performance came in and he totally like made that character his own and he made it believable that he is wolverine and dude, he, he, just he kills it yeah, and you know, going along those lines of this being like a meta discussion of like watching your hero's age, as you know, real real life takes its toll.
Speaker 1:It's interesting that they decided to go with a clone of Wolverine who looked like what Hugh Jackman looked like during his first movie, or you know, the X2. You know, that era of Wolverine they brought back and they did such a good job with the CGI on the young Wolverine, even though you could tell it was like a de-aged version of hugh jackman, it still looked fantastic it looked crazy, that fighting was insane.
Speaker 2:His entrance is a heartbreaking moment, you know, and this clone of logan kills charles and it dude. It is so sad you feel for logan, because there's a moment he's carrying him and he's like it wasn't me, it wasn't me, it wasn't me, like you know, remember, like, like yeah, he doesn't want his, he doesn't want Charles, last moments to to be that my friend. He betrayed him, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I totally forgot about that until you brought it up, even though I just watched it yesterday.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it was a good scene, yeah it was such a good scene and like it was so sad, because the family gets massacred, you know, and like the last moments of the husband is like not him trusting logan.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, literally in this movie no good deed goes unpunished. You know, like everyone who does a good thing doesn't get out.
Speaker 2:You know, like, only the kids basically, which I'm happy about you know happy that the kids and some of those kids had some really cool mutant powers they really did and like they, they led up to some really cool like collaborative moments yeah, what they did to the one guy.
Speaker 1:What's his name? Hold on, let me pull up the casting sheet one last time donald pierce, I don't. I don't even know if they actually say his name in the movie, but his character played by Boyd Holbrook gets like such a gruesome death where, like all the kids use their powers on him at once, like he's like pulled into the ground he's frozen, he's burned. He's like wood chipped to death. He's electrocuted.
Speaker 2:It's literally like everything at all at once yeah, yeah, dude, it was really such a like delight to watch this movie because I hadn't seen it. I think the last time I actually saw this movie was in theaters I think I'm in, I'm like in that same boat.
Speaker 1:I might have watched it just after it became available on streaming or something, but that we're talking 2018 at the latest. You know, like it's been a long time, and I think because it's it's not a happy movie, you know it's. This is not a comfort movie by any stretch of the imagination, but it is so good and I I think this is a movie that I'll be revisiting more often now that I have revisited it right, right you.
Speaker 2:You get some like really sad closure on some characters, some great closure too.
Speaker 1:You know, I I really love the scene right before charles is killed by the fake wolverine, where he kind of the faux wolverine you know, mega wolverine mega scott. Yeah, I, I love that moment because he kind of there's a lot of closure for that character right in that moment, but it's ripped away as we the audience realize that it's not actually Wolverine he's talking to.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Dude, we haven't talked about Caliban yet.
Speaker 2:Caliban.
Speaker 1:He was also a character in X-Men Apocalypse and he died in that one also, so the timelines are all really confusing in the X-Men universe. I haven't even bothered wrapping my head around it just because I know someone already has and I'll just take their word for it because it's nonsense.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming that Logan has nothing to do with the James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender series of movies.
Speaker 1:So I think you're right. Think you're right and the reason I think you're right is because early on, patrick stewart says or not patrick stewart? Charles xavier says you will meet people at the statue of liberty and logan goes. Statue of liberty was a long time ago, talking about the first movie, the first x-men movie yeah, oh yeah, you're right so I think this is a continuation of what happens in the first three x-men movies.
Speaker 2:Basically, kind of like caps it off with like a unofficial fourth movie, but like I guess they didn't want it to die off because you know there's a lot of people that really didn't care for the last stand, so maybe they're like, you know, let's give it its justice and kind of cap this off, you know yeah, I am curious what happened between the last stand and this movie that stopped mutants from happening, from like being born.
Speaker 1:Because there's there is that that storyline in x-men, the last stand, where there's a kid who negates mutant powers in the vicinity, and there was like a vaccine that was created oh yeah, leech yes, there was a vaccine created for mutants with leech's blood to stop the mutant gene from, you know, surfacing, but we don't really know what happened after that, besides the fact that alkali, the company that originally you know, gave him the metal claws. They are behind the fact that there are no mutants. Richard e grant, he takes the credit for like stopping that from happening and he does it like super casually, it's so it's a really weird line, but I, I don't. I don't have an answer, I don't have like a, like a. Maybe this happened, but it is. It's an interesting development in this timeline that, for whatever reason, there's no, just no, mutants left and the rest of the mutants are just dying off slowly yeah, and I feel bad for caliban.
Speaker 2:You know he gets kind of like dragged along to to track down wolverine and company. And you know he goes out like a champ. He takes out that alkali truck kind of yeah, he's in a way, and you know what, like I, I guess in a way for him he's like you know, they're not gonna stop trying to track him down, you know, and they were, they were just gonna continue to torture him.
Speaker 1:So, like I mean it was, and and it wasn't gonna end good for him yeah, they're probably gonna kill him yeah yeah, yeah, so no, he went out with with style. Anthony, is there anything else you want to talk about with logan?
Speaker 2:you mean logan?
Speaker 1:I'm trying to think where does this rank the x-men movies for you and why is it below x-men origins wolverine?
Speaker 2:that one is that one's like top of of all the wolverine movies. Then it's logan and then it's the wolverine you know yes, the wolverine.
Speaker 1:No, I'm kidding. Uh, obviously logan is, is probably I. I think you and I agree that this is bar none the best of the x-men movies.
Speaker 2:So yeah, man like very strong storyline, very strong writing, very strong acting and direction, you know like it was.
Speaker 1:It was a vision. You know they had a singular vision that they were creating with this story. They didn't deviate from it at all and you can tell it. It just it comes across in the narrative and everything that they wanted to showcase they did. And you can sometimes you can tell in movies that are like bigger budget blockbuster stuff, like a lot of the MCU movies, whatever they're built by committee, you know they're built by a think tank of individuals. This was the the brainchild of James Mangold. You know this was his idea of like how to end the Logan story and he did such a good job. It's, it's, it's a truly phenomenal film. Mangold also recently did the Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, which I liked. A lot of people didn't for whatever reason, and he's doing the he's. He's doing the Dial of Destiny, which I liked. A lot of people didn't for whatever reason. And he's doing the Dawn of the Jedi movie for Lucasfilm, like the early 25,000 years ago Dawn of the Jedi movie. Hopefully that one comes out really well.
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Speaker 2:The Wolverine but sad the Logan.
Speaker 1:The Logan.
