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Embark on an epic journey with Anthony and Dakota as they delve into the vast realms of geek culture, from cherished classics to cutting-edge creations. Join us for an exhilarating adventure of exploration and nostalgia, as we unearth hidden gems and reminisce about the moments that have shaped us. Welcome to the ultimate celebration of all things geeky!
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Deadpool (2016)
Ever wondered how Deadpool's irreverent humor and R-rated antics changed the landscape of superhero films? Join us on this hilarious and insightful episode of Project Geekology as we explore the "merc with a mouth" in all his glory. Dakota and Anthony kick things off with a fun and futile attempt to link their 86th episode to Deadpool, ultimately sharing their deep passion for the character and the film's impact on the genre. The hosts reminisce about their long-standing friendship that began in elementary school, setting the stage for a lively discussion about their shared love for comics, movies, and everything geeky.
Get ready for a rollercoaster of emotions as we break down Deadpool's unique traits, from his penchant for breaking the fourth wall to Ryan Reynolds' pitch-perfect performance. We touch on the film's perfect runtime, its record-breaking success, and how it paved the way for other high-grossing R-rated movies like, it's sequel, Deadpool 2 and Joker. Expect plenty of laughs as we recount some of Deadpool's most memorable scenes and characters, including his hilarious nemesis Francis "Ajax" and the unlikely X-Men duo of Colossus and Negasonic Teenage Warhead. And yes, we couldn't resist poking fun at Ryan Reynolds' infamous turn as Green Lantern.
Looking to the future, we speculate on potential MCU crossovers and the exciting possibilities for new castings, including a possible baton-passing for Wolverine. Dakota also shares an exciting update on his near-completed Star Wars Time Saber visual timeline, soon to be available on Patreon for Geekritique. Wrapping up, we tease upcoming episodes focused on Crunchyroll, Death Note, and more nostalgic shows like Pokémon, all while expressing our heartfelt gratitude to our listeners for their continued support. Don't miss this jam-packed episode that's equal parts nerdy nostalgia and forward-looking fun!
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Welcome back to Project Geekology. My name is Dakota. I am joined, as always, with Wade Wilson, anthony, anthony, for our 86th episode. You know, I'd really tried hard to figure out some connection between our topic of discussion today, which is Deadpool, and the 86th episode specifically 86, but like Deadpool, was created in 1990. The 86th episode, specifically 86, but like deadpool, was created in 1990 and you know, the rotten tomato score is 19 or is like 95, so it's just like doesn't? It doesn't match up, guys. I'm, I'm, I personally take accountability for this one for not finding any particular connection between the episode number and the topic at hand. But we have a great show for you tonight. We're gonna try not to talk about ourselves as much as possible because we have a great show for you tonight. We're gonna try not to talk about ourselves as much as possible because we have a lot to talk about with the movie at hand, which is deadpool, and we're really excited about it. What do you think about? What do you think about this, anthony?
Speaker 2:think about deadpool, or thinking think about us, not talking about ourselves, whatever you want to think about.
Speaker 1:What do you think about that?
Speaker 2:oh my, oh man, I love talking about myself. No man, I'm actually really excited about talking about this film. I really, I really like this movie. It's probably like every deadpool, every deadpool fans dream that this movie came out. Now I'm I'm a Deadpool fan. I'm not a diehard Deadpool, deadpool I mean, I guess it does work for him, but yeah, deadpool fan. But I really do think that his character is really cool. I like the fourth wall stuff, but we'll talk more about that when we actually cover the movie. But how about you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're gonna take a couple minutes to talk about ourselves, but before we get into any of that, it's been a couple months probably probably over a year at this point where we kind of introduced ourselves to the podcast. So we want to take a little bit of time to just reintroduce ourselves to you, lovely listeners. My name is Dakota. I'm joined, as always, with Anthony and we've been friends since probably second or third grade of elementary school and we've kept in touch all this time and we've pretty much orbited around the same interests our entire lives and we decided why not discuss it on a podcast? And here we are.
Speaker 2:Almost what 20 years, 30 years later, years later, maybe not 30 years, but 25 maybe. Yeah, yeah it's. It's definitely over 20 years, maybe, yeah, maybe, like a. We're getting close to a quarter of a century of friendship, but that's terrifying that's terrifying to think it is. It is, it's the crazy thing is is that you know we're in the summertime and that's actually where our friendship initially started, at a summer camp, a day camp that remember we used to go to to a day camp dude.
Speaker 2:So yeah man, good good times, good times, you know, I remember color rich every other friday we would either go to the movies or to the skating rink it was always one of those two things.
Speaker 1:It was always like you know, you want to watch that toy soldiers movie again, or do you want to like fall on your butt while we're on a skating rink?
Speaker 2:and I did both. Well, we got to see pokemon, the first movie that was a good time.
Speaker 1:That was a really good time, you know, but we're not talking about that. That would be a really fantastic topic of discussion for a future episode. But after we discuss all of the X-Men movies because we're kind of on a roll, as we are currently going, because I think we're what seven or eight movies in to our discussion of X-Men movies. We started with X-Men in 2000. We did X2. We did men, the last stand. We did first class. We did both of the uh, wolverine movies.
Speaker 2:Um, I think the seventh movie we did days of future past, which was our last one which was my favorite so far yes, yes, for for those of you that may not be an x-men fan, just bear with us. We are going to branch out after we go through this. We're it's kind of we're kind of like in a little bit of a series right now.
Speaker 2:So leading, leading up to deadpool, for deadpool and wolverine basically, yes, yes, uh, we we have talked about and we've said this for a few podcasts that we are looking into making an episode on death note. Uh, we do want to incorporate more anime and, uh, you know, other stuff outside of movies specifically pokemon, the first movie specifically, I would actually like to to cover that indigo season like that first, the one that we grew up on.
Speaker 2:That would be interesting. That would actually be really cool. So yeah, but yeah so quickly. What have you been up to Dakota?
Speaker 1:Okay, let's dive into this. So, if you've been listening, over the past couple weeks, couple months at this point, I've been working on a star wars timeline. By the time this video goes out, I should be finished with my star wars visual timeline. I'm calling it the star wars time saber because it's kind of like a time, it's like a, it's like a lightsaber, that kind of like curves around into a big timeline. And if you follow me on instagram or I'm sorry, I'm not if you follow me on twitter, uh, you will see, uh, a mock-up of the latest version of that time saber and, uh, by the time this episode comes out, you should have the entire thing. It should be available on my patreon at this point, because I'm already on 34 aby. I only have one more year at this point, and I'm already in 34 ABY. I only have one more year at this point.
Speaker 1:And I'm so excited because it is the biggest timeline I've ever worked on. It's the biggest Photoshop project I've ever worked on. Someone asked me today how many layers I have in Photoshop for this project, and it's a little bit. You know, it's probably about 1145. So145 layers of this project that I've been working weeks on and it looks pretty. If I'm being honest, it looks pretty damn cool, so I'm really excited to share it. What have you been up to, anthony?
Speaker 2:Nothing as crazy as that.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, I am a crazy person as crazy as that. No, I mean I am a crazy person. Anyone listening to this show for an extended period of time or any followers of my channel know that I go the extra mile and I am actually an insane person that should be admitted into any asylum.
Speaker 2:You know, anyway, Just obsessed with timelines, you know.
Speaker 1:I'm a freak bro.
Speaker 2:You know really just little little tweaks here and there on the I just spilled whiskey on my pants, by the way.
Speaker 1:Damn it, sorry go ahead.
Speaker 2:No, no, you're good uh just a little bit of nothing too major, a little bit of tweaks here and there on the podcast website was a production on. That has slowed down a little bit. I mean I've gotten a little busy with some stuff, but it is something that I am still actively working on right now, just making sure that, like I mean honestly, at this point I could probably release it soon, but there's certain things that I want to get down packed or down pack before I actually put it out, because it'll help. It'll help the website in the long term. Other than that, man, yeah, I just I've started my watch through of Death Note again, you know, kind of like in preparation of that future episode, just to give me time to. I mean, do we still have plenty more of?
Speaker 1:We have so much of X-men that we got to go to. By the way, guys, after this week there's only, I think, one or two x-men movies that I've actually seen in this series. So I've seen deadpool 2. I have not seen x-men apocalypse, I have not seen new mutants, I have not seen dark phoenix. This is all new to me. Post this point. So I am so excited because I'm actually going to be visit, visiting new movies for this first time. I'm a big x-men fan if you've listened to podcasts previous to this, but for whatever reason, I guess I was just very tired of the x-men saga and I'm I'm so excited to jump into apocalypse and beyond at this point. But we're also going to touch on deadpool 2 eventually, and and so on and so forth absolutely, I think.
Speaker 2:I think you kind of hit the same point that we did with marvel. Now you know, I mean we mean we've, we, we kind of I mean we've kind of hit that superhero fatigue. The MCU, the quality of the stuff that they started coming out with wasn't so good and we haven't had enough time to really miss superhero media, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I like okay, yeah, I can totally see that happening. Yes, while I am kind of apprehensive to the idea of superhero fatigue, I do agree that it exists to an extent, especially when it comes to the X-Men franchise, which at this point had pretty much already been bought by Disney, or it was soon to be released, before Disney bought the franchise of, you know, not just X-Men but 20th Century Fox. You know, I think at this point I was so engrossed in what they were doing with the MCU. All interest for the X-Men series was kind of tangential, and that was a mistake on my part and I'm ready to correct that on this podcast. So I'm excited to jump into that very shortly. You know, with it next week, literally next week, I'm gonna be watching one of my first x-men movies in a very long time and I'm so excited about that so with the fresh new eyes?
Speaker 2:no, yeah, I've, I've, I've gone through and I've seen those movies and you know, I mean oh, we got a badass, over here, okay, yeah, man, you know you already know man bro, I keep, I keep it current man. Why, why, why would I, why would I make a, a podcast and and not be current on this stuff?
Speaker 1:yeah, I know there's a lot of stuff I'm not current on you know, but yeah he hasn't seen x-men 97 yet.
Speaker 2:Oh my god um, not all of it, but some of it, yes. But yeah, honestly, nothing major outside of well, at least that that I can remember. I know I'm probably gonna remember something that I did after we record, maybe tonight or tomorrow. I mean, that's how it always works with we always do that. Yeah, we always always do that yeah all right.
Speaker 1:So what I will say is I have been probably once a night I I've been trying to read a little bit of one piece. Um, I'm way behind on the anime. I've probably only gotten to maybe episode 20 of the anime, but I'm into like episode or like the chapter 161 or 162 at this point where they're finally into the alabasta arc um I've just passed the drum island arc where they bring chopper onto the the crew.
Speaker 1:I love chopper as a character. I don't think I mentioned that on the podcast. I think I keep mentioning it off the podcast with you and, uh, I'm really excited to see what the you know what, what the team does. You know. I'm excited because I I know of the adventures that they go on, but I don't know of the individual things in the adventures. Like I just found out that luffy has an older brother named ace.
Speaker 1:Oh, fire like that's yeah, dude, that's, that's awesome and it was such an interesting, like a fun, introduction to the character that I'm excited to see that character again. Like he was looking for luffy in like some like in that he was, you know, frequenting, and then luffy was just like starving and he broke through the walls to like look for food. It was. It was amazing.
Speaker 2:What, what a fantastic entrance dude, yeah, yeah, fire, firefist is funny. Um, all right, yeah, ace is funny, man, um, especially like when he falls asleep in his food like everybody thinks he's dead. Um, yeah, dude, uh, one piece is really fun. I, I really enjoy that, that series. I always watch like a huge chunk of the episodes before I take a break and watch, like either something else or I'll watch another anime or a TV show or just hunker down on some gaming, which is almost always the thing that I do. But Persona, yeah, look, hey, you brought it up this time.
Speaker 1:You're finally joining the crew um, you're finally joining the crew, anthony. Before we discuss deadpool, is there anything big do you want to talk about, or are we ready to jump into this?
Speaker 2:I need 15 more minutes. 15 more minutes. No, uh, no, no, we've decided.
Speaker 1:We've decided, as a podcast, to jump into the action of, like you know, the meat of the episode.
Speaker 2:Uh, sooner rather than later, which, uh, I think will probably help us out in the long run, but, uh, yes yes, yeah, yeah, we we have a lot that we want to talk about and I know that sometimes we we miss out on certain things. I did uh, for those of you that that listened to last week's episode, we had gone through the entire podcast without mentioning the character quicksilver. But I was like how did we do that? How did we?
Speaker 1:do that. I remedied that. I know you did. I know I'm I'm proud of you for that. But like I was, like we had to how did we get you know so far into a discussion of days of future past, without talking about Quicksilver, which was like the best scene in that movie? Yes, bar none. You know, it was it wasn't like hugely important to the movie, but it was like the best scene in the movie. Let's, let's be honest.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Thank you for bringing that up. I had to, but now is not the time to linger on Quicksilver. Now to, but now is not the time to linger on quicksilver.
Speaker 2:Now is the time to linger on our friend wade wilson who, right, look, we are going to put forth maximum effort in this episode.
Speaker 1:I appreciate that little bit of deadpool lore into, uh, into the podcast. Um, guys, we're so excited to talk about this I think correct me if I'm wrong, anthony is this the first rated r movie we've ever discussed on the podcast? Oh my goodness, that is a good question we're not ones for making rated r content our normal topic of discussion, you know, right, right even though, like I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 2:Like at all, I mean I mean, this won't be the first one. We we also have logan coming up and we also have the second deadpool movie and as well as the deadpool and wolverine. Yeah, exactly um. Also, I think death note is is it's tvma?
Speaker 1:yes, yes.
Speaker 2:So I guess, it's the tv equivalent of rated r. So, okay, sure, so. So I, yeah, we got some on the horizon, but yeah, no, this is it. If this is, I mean, I can't think of it, but this is. If this is our first foray into like something rated r, I'm actually glad that it is this movie, because this movie is so fun.
Speaker 1:It's absolutely like ridiculous, hilarious, but also like awesome it's also the first or it's uh, at the time of you know when it was released in theaters it was the first. It was the highest grossing rated r movie at the time, prior to deadpool 2 and joker and all that. But like this kind of opened the doors to those movies making so much money because rated r movies they had their audience but they weren't for quadrant like those movies were. You know, deadpool was kind of like the first of those of that kind of movie to really break the mold of you know just making that much money.
Speaker 1:Hold on, I'm gonna look up how much money it actually made I'm going to assume that it's a lot yeah, so I'm looking it up now it's almost 800 million dollars worldwide, which was at the time in 2016, you know, long before covid and all that. Uh, as as like, movie theater prices continued to rise in the wake of marvel, that was huge. I think at this point in movie theaters there had been only 25 movies to crack a million, or sorry, not a million A billion dollars. I think, if I remember correctly, captain America the Winter Soldier was the 25th movie ever to crack a million dollars or a billion dollars. Dude guys, I've been drinking for a couple hours. I'm a little stumbly. I apologize. I'm trying to remain coherent.
Speaker 2:Dang it, Dakota.
Speaker 1:Anthony knows I'm giving my maximum effort on this podcast. We will survive, all right.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, Anthony. So what I found insane? And to me it doesn't feel like this, but this movie is actually only an hour and 48 minutes long dude, I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 1:It's rather short for a so okay days of future. Past was like especially the road cut was like two and a half hours yes I was fully prepared to watch a two and a half hour movie because at this point in hollywood we've gotten past to. We've gotten past the point of the two hour mark being like the standard for superhero consumption, I guess right for the longest time.
Speaker 2:It was about an hour and a half to hour and 40.
Speaker 1:And then after a certain point, like after 2012, after 2014, like between 2012 and 2014, it jumped up to an over 200, an over two hour film, to about like two hours 20 minutes.
Speaker 1:That was the standard for superhero movies.
Speaker 1:And if you actually look up the critical reception of movies in the superhero genre and I've done the research on this, I know what I'm talking about If you look up the Rotten Tomatoes score, the IMDb Tomatoes score, the Audience Tomatoes score, the Metacritic Tomatoes score Not Tomatoes score, but you know Metacritic tomato score, not tomato score, but you know metacritic score or whatever um, if you look up all of these scores and aggregate it based on the length of the movie, there is a correlation between how long a movie is and what the score like critically is.
Speaker 1:And it's interesting because movies that average two and a half hours generally perform extremely critically well, but movies that perform under two hours underperform and I I have my own personal theories as to why that is, but I've always kind of I've attributed to like you're dealing with concepts that don't work within the real world and, for whatever reason, when you explore those concepts for X number of minutes, x number of hours, sometimes it works better when you explore it for a little bit longer and it makes a little bit more sense when drawn out and you give it time to breathe. So movies like infinity war, end game, days of future, past, some of the longer snyder cut movie, or like the snyder movies, those genre of movies that are in the superhero realm, that are a little bit longer, tend to perform better critically. I don't know why that is. My theory is that it just makes more sense when you actually, you know, get to spend a little bit extra time in that world. But yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 2:That's what I've, that's what I've come up with so what I'm thinking is it all depends on how well you utilize the time that you're given, or the given time that you know. You can have a two and a half hour movie, but if you're not using that two and a half hours to like really put something well on the screen, you're not going to do well, and I feel like the same could be said for something shorter. Now, if you're going to give me a short movie, you're going to have to wow me. You know, it's almost like a flash in the pan at that point, and and um can?
Speaker 1:you think of a long movie that you feel should have been shorter, or a short movie that should have been longer? If not, it's not a big deal. I mean, I just like off the top of your head, like do you think that there are certain movies that how?
Speaker 2:long was quantum mania.
Speaker 1:Quantum mania, I think, was around two hours, maybe a little bit shorter. I'm gonna, I'm gonna be.
Speaker 2:Let's, let's look this up because I felt like that movie was too long really okay, let's look it up really quick, or?
Speaker 1:maybe, or maybe because, like I wasn't grabbed so it's quantumania is two hours and five minutes, so as far as marvel movies go in phase three and four, it's a very short film maybe.
Speaker 2:I guess I just wasn't impressed what was put on the screen. So you get bored, and so it feels like it's a long time. Honestly, to tell you the truth, with Deadpool, because we're just going crazy on other stuff outside of Deadpool, but with Deadpool being it's all considered, bro, don't worry. With Deadpool only being an hour and 48 minutes, I feel like it was the perfect length for that film. We got what we needed. It was all considered.
Speaker 1:Bro, don't worry With Deadpool only being an hour and 48 minutes, I feel like it was the perfect length for that film, like we got what we needed, yeah, and I agree with that. All right, let's actually talk about Deadpool a little bit because, like you said, it's a perfectly plotted out film. You know, it starts you out with a little bit of action, then it gives you a little bit of backstory, then it brings you back into the action, then it gives you a little bit more backstory so that you full up, you fully understand what's at stake, and then the rest of the movie plays out, and I think that that's such a great recipe for a origin story, in a way, because this is the origin of that character, even though we have seen wade wilson in these movies prior to this point yes, is this technically deadpool 1.5, or was that uh?
Speaker 1:I think it's that. It's that it's deadpool 2.0, let's. Let's be frank. They do briefly show a 3.25-inch action figure of Deadpool from Wolverine Origins or X-Men Origins Wolverine. They show that figure briefly as the scene changes into kind of like a flashback event, but which, which is great, by the way, I I love that kind of stuff. And they they also showed, uh, another of ryan reynolds failed franchises, um, uh, green lantern. He, you know, when he's being brought into the medical center, he's just like please, no cgi suits and don't make it green, or something like that.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, yes, yes and that's specifically, you know, targeting that. You know, like the green lantern suit that he had in, I think it was, um, if I remember correctly, a 2012 movie. I might be totally off on that 2011, 2012 his suit was entirely cgi. It didn't look bad, but it didn't look great either. And the movie we haven't talked about it on the show. I don't believe I thought it was a decent movie, but they tried to stuff too much green lantern, like hal jordan lore, into a two-hour movie and it just it was too much. You know, and I think that's that's what they were referencing with, uh, that line in this movie all righty.
Speaker 2:So deadpool man, you know who, who?
Speaker 1:is dead. I keep going on 10 no, no, no, no, no I was it.
Speaker 2:I'm saying deadpool you know who is Deadpool. He's this edgy character, you know. He was made in the 90s and and the 90s was definitely that period where they were trying to make things, or they were trying to make things uh edgier and kind of like out, you know, like wow and out there and Deadpool is one of those is probably the product of that time, you know.
Speaker 1:Oh, 100%. So he was created in the year 1990. By Rob Liefeld, and anyone who's like Been in the comic industry Knows that this is a character that's evolved Over time as different creators have picked him up. But Rob Liefeld Was the initiator of the character and he gets a little shout out and in the opening I don't I want to say it's opening credits, but, like you know, like the the car scene where, like, everything's like kind of in slow motion as the car kind of tumbles through the air. Yes, I think, if I remember correctly, it's like on, like on a Starbucks cup or some sort of cup that says R Liefeld on it or Robert L on the side of it and that's Rob L, something like that.
Speaker 1:There's definitely a mention of that in the beginning of this and actually there's a scene in the trailer of Deadpool and Wolverine, the third Deadpool movie that's coming out as of June 21st, which is when I'm recording this there's another month ahead of us before that movie comes out. There's a scene in that trailer where they're walking towards the camera, those two characters, and in the background there's a shop that's called Liefifeld feet or something like that leifeld's feet and the, the the artist, which is also like an artist slash slash writer is notorious for being incapable of drawing feet, like they're always either too big or too small for like the giant size proportions of muscles that he like showcases on the panel, like it's just like proportionally ridiculous. So if you look in the background of the Deadpool trailer, you're going to find a shop called, like Liefeld's Feet or something like that, and I love that. I love that so much.
Speaker 2:Dude, that's awesome, yeah, man. So this Deadpool movie, yeah Like we get the, the, the creation of, of of Deadpool and the you know the state that we get him in and the rest of the films, and this in the beginning of this. He hasn't, he doesn't have his his like healing factor yet, right, and he's just like a really high, he's like a really highly skilled fighter at this point or he's really just like kind of like a hitman and then I think kind of over over time, he like develops a lot of this other stuff that he can do what's interesting is that, like like you said, he doesn't have his abilities at this point.
Speaker 1:He's not a character who has developed into their x gene um, the x gene being the mutation um that a number of characters in the marvel universe have attained at this point because of either, you know, living throughout their lives or being forced to mutate. In this movie we see that wade wilson is forced to mutate. In this movie we see that way wilson is forced to mutate after he's, you know, given the diagnosis that he has, uh cancer in like four different parts, like stage four cancer in like multiple parts of his body right, yeah, yeah, he has terminal cancer and he's kind of trying to figure out how to prolong his life because he's literally just found the love of his life and he wants to prolong that and you know, more power to him Anyone in that position.
Speaker 1:I hope they do get the opportunity to prolong their lives because, you know, they found love, they found something awesome. So he's found the love of his life. He's introduced to someone who gives him a card that says basically along something along the lines of you know, reach out to me if you want to do something about your current state of life, basically, and kind of giving him some hope for the future in terms of it's the last chance before he's dead. Right, you know he initially scoffs at the idea but he eventually takes it.
Speaker 2:He does and like honestly the.
Speaker 1:The situation is so horrible, man yeah, well, I mean even before, even before he takes it like, I think, he says he has cancer in his brain, in his chest and his stomach, like like a whole bunch of cancer. That's like stage four and he's got x number of weeks or months to live yeah and he doesn't want.
Speaker 1:He's ready to like totally give up on life so that he doesn't put his new girlfriend, new girlfriend in in any pain. Basically he, he wants to divorce her of that and just like leave her life because he believes that the ugliest months or the ugliest days of his life are incoming with cancer. You know, like he doesn't want to put her through that, he wants her to remember her as he is now yes so instead of doing any of that, he goes and calls his number with this uh, crazy freak guy named agent smith.
Speaker 1:Like, what's really funny is that, like he, he jokes about this character character being named agent smith because he's kind of like an agent in the matrix. But like, if you follow, like the like, if you have subtitles on throughout the movie, whenever that guy talks, it's, it's, it's subtitled as agent smith says this line, so the character's name is canonically agent smith um, but yeah he, what he gets put through to to activate that x gene is like honestly like horrible man, especially that chamber.
Speaker 1:He gets put into anyone. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't wish that upon anyone that oxygen chamber just seems absolutely just ridiculous.
Speaker 2:It's, it's terrible. Yeah, man, yeah it's it's not even.
Speaker 1:It's not even just waterboarding, it's like a next, next level waterboarding, because it's like so the, the, the amount of torture he's put under to awaken that x gene is is insane. So not only is he tortured, like pain wise, mentally wise, whatever, he's put in an oxygen chamber that like, specifically, like almost brings his oxygen level down to suffocation. And when he gets the suffocation it brings it up just slightly so that his heart doesn't give out. And then it keeps it at that level where it's like, not suffocation, but it's not his heart's not giving out. And it's at that level, at that stage, where, like, it's his mutant gene, um, just taking over his body. Basically, Right.
Speaker 2:And it's so. You know his gene is. It's so crazy for him Because it's very. It's pretty much like Wolverine. You know he has this healing factor, but and he looks so crazy and scarred it's because of his healing factor that he has. Is that, like, his cells are dying just as fast as he's healing, or he's healing a bit faster, a little bit faster than his cells are dying?
Speaker 1:right, and so it keeps him looking scarred yeah, so I mean hypothetically, if he keeps this up, hopefully his body heals the cells faster than the cancer kills them. But the entire point of him looking super scarred like an off, like an avocado on a topographical map of ohio, um or ut, whatever I'm trying to keep this PG-13. I think eventually, if this superpower were to continue, he would get it out of his system and he would eventually look normal. But because his cancer cells are stage four and they're continuing at a rate that is, at the current rate that he's going, he's continuing basically like the cancer on the inside is mutating to the cancer on the outside, basically like he looks like what he looks like on the inside.
Speaker 2:Basically yes, and it it's just so, it's so fascinating and it kind of it's like the the strength of like cancer. You know, I mean it's terrible being the way that it is, because I mean he literally can heal from like his like limbs being cut off. You know, like yeah he can.
Speaker 1:He can get shot, he can get limbs shut, limbs cut off, he can get his literal head cut off if he wanted to, and he could grow. You know that could grow back because he's dead bull and that's, that's his ability. But the fact that the cancer is growing at a rate that is so fast is very specific to his character and that, like he is always at the mercy of that level of regeneration yes, I guess you know and you get some really funny moments with it, because oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:We haven't even talked about any funny moments in this. This is the comedy. You know, this is first and foremost like a rated r comedy. You know, like we can't there's. There's like a few lines maybe in the entire thing that we can talk about on a PG, on the PG, the PG like podcast that we're presenting right now. So we can't talk about most of the stuff on this movie, but we're going to try.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love, I just love some of the fourth wall stuff that he says. I just love some of the fourth wall stuff that he says, like, like, there's like that moment where he he has like he's like stabbing somebody, he's like holding them in the air, and he's like, you know, you're maybe you may be saying like, oh my gosh, like my boyfriend said, this was a superhero movie, but he just turned that man into a kebab. You know, he said effing kebab. Like he's like. You know, I may be super, but I'm no hero, you know. Um, it's just, it's so. Ryan reynolds really was the perfect casting for this character and that's amazing.
Speaker 1:That's amazing for a number of reasons. He was great in this movie, yes, but that also means he was great in x-men wolverine, or x-men origins wolverine they were, we just didn't know it, we just didn't know it.
Speaker 1:Yet. You know, like there was, there was a number of layers that needed to be broached with x-men origins wolverine, because that's that's where ryan reynolds started playing the wade wilson character, who was a loud mouth who blah, blah, blah was an annoyance for a number of characters. He's still that in this movie, but I'm so happy, you know, even though we got probably the worst movie in the entire series with x-men origins wol Wolverine if we did not get that movie, would we have A a Deadpool movie to begin with and B the best actor possible to play that character?
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, I mean you could see, like, looking back at X-Men Origins, wolverine, you could see that Deadpool, a little bit of that Deadpool in this Deadpool, but this is the definitive version of that. Yeah, man, it's just, deadpool is literally like the R-rated Spider-Man. Because you know how Spider-Man will be with his little banter and like hey, man, what's going on? Is this the ferry to Staten Island? You know that-Man will be with his little banter and like, hey, man, what's going on?
Speaker 1:Is this the ferry to Staten Island? You know that kind of stuff. What's great about Spider-Man is that he will break the fourth wall without actually breaking the fourth wall. You know, he will be the voice of the reader without having to address the reader specifically. Deadpool isn't that character having to address the reader specifically. Deadpool isn't that character. He will address the reader because it's his, you know, job to break the fourth wall, just like she hulk. That's her job. You know, like those are those characters jobs. But I love the, the balance that they chose for this movie. You know, like there's it's such good balance between, like, talking to the person in the scene versus, you know, occasionally turning to the camera and being like this is the weirdest thing I've ever had to do. I love that stuff. It even makes sense of the mid-credits scene where it's almost like a Ferris Bueller's Day.
Speaker 2:Off cutscene that's literally what it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's got the robe and everything.
Speaker 2:He's just like you're still here dude, and I remember seeing that in the in the movies, because I mean at that point we had gotten used to the mcu, uh post, you know those like post-credit scenes, and so the fact that like they put that in there was absolutely genius.
Speaker 1:I love that it was perfect.
Speaker 2:It was kind of making fun of that in a way, totally.
Speaker 1:Because you had the MCU, which every movie they had at least one, at least one at that point Post-credit scene, sometimes a mid-credit scene. This movie made fun of it and they did it in such a beautiful way because ferris bueller's date off also had a post-credit scene which is exactly like the deadpool one where it's just like you're still here.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know, yeah, it was exactly. Yeah, that that's.
Speaker 1:That was genius, that they did that and and what's amazing about that is in the recent book that came out called the Reign of Marvel Studios. I think that's what the book is called the Reign of Marvel Studios. There's an interview with Kevin Feige in it that he explains why he wants post-credit scenes and mid-credit scenes in it and it all stems back from ferris bueller's day off where he watched that in the 80s and he's just like that was amazing. You know why don't more movies do that? And that's the initial like boom that created the post-credit phenomenon that is the marvel studios or, you know, marvel cinematic universe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, like, post, mid and post-credit scenes are pretty much synonymous with mcu films and yeah, I, I love that this movie makes fun of that. And dude, the, the way that this movie captures you, it, it grabs you even like from the beginning, when he's not in dead pool mode, you know, and I like that there is that they have an actual dead pool, that they, you know not like that, um, it's clever, you know that like kind of hitman bar, that he goes to that like, yeah, um, the fact that they're, they're like on who's gonna die?
Speaker 2:and I like that his buddy actually like puts money on he's gotta put money on someone, right? He's like he's like oh my gosh, like usob but yeah, it's you know, because we're there to see deadpool and the fact that they were able to grab you and you're. You know we had so much of a movie before we actually got to where he became Deadpool. You know the man in the red spandex.
Speaker 2:I love that, like initially when he moves into that place with that old blind woman and he's like starting to do deadpool or, like you know, be who he is, but he's looking for francis, the guy that pretty much he's looking for francis because uh francis said hey look, I'm the only guy that can fix the way that you look, um, you know, because of that scarring.
Speaker 2:And so he's looking for him. And so, yeah, he's on this pretty, he's looking for him. And so, yeah, he's on this pretty, he's pretty much on this crusade looking for him. And he remember, he like starts off with like white clothing but he like gets shot and he's like bleeding and it's all like red and like the lady was like she's like, she's like why don't you wear red. Yeah, wear red dummy, but you know, she calls him something else.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, dude, it's. It's such a funny movie In a way that kind of reminded me of Spider-Man. I'm going to be honest with you. Like you know, the initial suit that he was trying to, it was almost like I felt like he was making fun of that too.
Speaker 1:Oh, the suit creation scene in the Tobey Maguire, movie.
Speaker 2:Yes, and how he had different iterations.
Speaker 1:yes, and how he had different iterations and like the way like deadpool's, like initial, like costumes were absolutely like kind of ridiculous and it was so funny and then and then, like you know, like after the ridiculous, super cheap costume, it was like the most advanced possible costume ever right, it's like dude.
Speaker 2:Where do these people learn tailoring? What's the learning curve?
Speaker 2:where is the learning curve, you know, in a pre-google world um dude, I see, yeah, yeah for right, right, like I mean specifically talking about spider-man on that one, but like yeah um, before we, you know, we got to the university of, uh, google and youtube days and that was like pre-youtube also, so but yeah, it's, yeah, there's just there's so much to to love about this. I mean, let's, let's kind of like you know, we covered a little bit about what this, this movie, like you know, the kind of the start like this is the origin of of deadpool and and so, yeah, like he starts off, as you know, I mean what he was assassin, a hitman, they, they kind of explained that he was a assassin like in wartime, and they say that he has like something like 40 confirmed kills or whatever.
Speaker 1:But like in the present, he's no more than just kind of like a, a bully for hire, if anything. Like he's not trying to kill anyone in person nowadays in the states, he's just trying to scare people into giving them money or or scaring people for other people. So he gets money from those right, that's what I mean, yeah yeah, um, where where he?
Speaker 2:he scares that stalker dude. I love that he like orders a pizza to a guy's apartment and like the guy's like and like. You're thinking like, oh, he's after this guy, no, he's after the pizza guy, and I love that he makes fun of. He makes fun of the guy's pants. He's like, dude, ease up on the bedazzling.
Speaker 1:Specifically. Yeah, he's talking about the guy Whose house he's invading. Dude, he invaded a guy's house.
Speaker 2:There's no reason for him To be in that man's apartment Other than to stage To stage a pizza delivery so that he can scare this guy who is stalking and then, and then.
Speaker 2:But I think that's that's why it's so funny, you know, like you think that he's going after this guy who owns the apartment, but it happens to be the pizza guy and then, at like the end of all of that, he's like, after like making this guy like piss his pants, uh, he goes back to the place and he's like ah, he's a good kid, just a little light stalking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like we've all been there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I know right, he says it so candidly yeah. But yeah so we kind of fast forward a little bit. You know we we've got wade wilson. He meets this guy, francis, who is, and his colleague who's played by gina carano I don't remember her name. Did she have um?
Speaker 1:I did he. She does have a name, not in the movie but in, so I'm hold on, all right. Deadpool cast gina carano's name in deadpool. She is called angel dust, she. She does get called angel a couple times, yes, by, by, uh, ajax or francis. She doesn't get called angel, but not angel dust, I don't remember I like how.
Speaker 2:I like how um wade just kind of taunts him with that name, like he found out that his name was frances and that's, that's the entire incentive of his.
Speaker 1:You know, vigilantism is to like just torment this guy named frances because he potentially has the ability to cure him of his cancer for good.
Speaker 2:Yes, and to fix like the scarring like he he was talking about.
Speaker 1:He was kind of, like you know, tricking him into like keeping him alive because of that and I like that they chose ajax because you know, anyone who's lived a life, basically, or anyone who's been around the block a little bit, knows that Ajax is a type of cleaning supply. Like why would a character name themselves Ajax and he makes that joke a couple times throughout the movie. Like you know, like you got that from. Like the cleaning supplies, right, you know your actual name is francis and he hates francis for whatever reason.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to the point where, like deadpool, decides to kill like 10 of his employees, to like spell out the name francis in the final battle.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, and like, like, when he's looking, where's Francis, you know? So in this movie we get a couple of X-Men. One that's well known and one that is not so well known.
Speaker 1:F-tier at best, hold on. I'm going to look this up.
Speaker 2:Colossus is, like, pretty well known, like I remember. I feel like I remember seeing Colossus a lot in maybe the 90s, early 2000s, but negasonic teenage warhead not so much. Didn't even know there was a character named that I'll be not. Since I looked up that character after that film I was like, oh my gosh, that's an actual character's name give me, give me one moment.
Speaker 1:I'm looking up this character, negasonic teenage warhead, if I'm. If I remember correctly, she only had one appearance in the comics ever?
Speaker 2:I mean, if that's the case, then that's probably why none of us know her or knew him I apologize.
Speaker 1:I spent the past like a minute and a half, maybe two minutes, looking up, uh, the character of negasonic teenage war Warhead. They won't know that, but I'm telling them right now. I'm looking up this character, specifically Eloise Fimmister, in Earth 616, specifically the main comic, lore timeline, and I'm not seeing an appearance list, which is pretty normal for most characters in marvel, which leads me to the assumption that this character isn't actually even a 616 character. Um, you know, 616 being the main comic universe of marvel and it's just a character that's, you know, appeared in random universes. Um, I could be wrong.
Speaker 1:If I am, please be sure to let me know on twitter. Uh, you can find my my stuff in the show notes down below. But the, the character of teenage or negasonic teenage warhead is so obscure that basically it hasn't even appeared in the comics before and, if I remember correctly, it was a character that they didn't even care, like, what kind of powers she had. It was the name specifically that drew them to the character in the movie and she has such a cool name, like literally it's literally negasonic teenage warhead, like. What does that mean?
Speaker 1:nobody knows really sounds so 90s it's a perfectly 90s name and, um, if I remember correctly, the character only ever appeared once or twice before this movie appeared, like you know, actually came out and that's how they got that character. Either way, I love the shanae o'conConnor jokes that they kept throwing her away. Just fantastic character. I loved the way that we understood her powers. After a certain point she was able to create literal small bursts of nuclear energy that were like small explosives, which was pretty cool. They used that to good effect.
Speaker 2:I also like that we got a better Colossus.
Speaker 1:This is probably the. This is the best Colossus that we've seen so far and I I I love all the references to X-Men and Colossus that we got in this movie from the prior movies, so like when Colossus invites him and is like dragging him in like chains. Um, deadpool goes like what professor x stewart or mcavoy and I was dying laughing dude I was, I was dying laughing.
Speaker 2:That's perfect deadpool I love the jokes about, like, the amount of x-men that are in, and I don't remember if it was in this one or the next one, but I feel like they they did it in both um about making jokes that there's like nobody in the house well, yeah, because like it was only colossus and negasonic teenage warhead that showed up on the bridge when he was attacking those people, and then when he goes to the house, it's only those two x two x-men and he goes.
Speaker 2:It seems like fox can't afford any more x-men, dude I, I really love the dynamic between and it's two, it's like two separate dynamics. I love the dynamic between deadpool and negasonic teenage warhead and then deadpool and colossus. And it's so funny because, uh, colossus really wants wade to like, not kill, and become this x-men and he's a boy scout character.
Speaker 2:Yes, he is very much so like like a, like a cyclops or a or a captain america type character, right, and so like he just gets so pissed when when deadpool like kills, and I love like when deadpool like he he takes deadpool and deadpool's like trying to like get away from him and so he's like kicking him and like he's just like breaking his like limbs. Oh my gosh, dude the best.
Speaker 1:The best part is, you know, like when he's got deadpool in chains and he's bringing him and negasonic warhead, uh, teenage warhead is beside him and he starts like cutting off his wrist so that he can like escape colossus, and it's just like a slow cutoff period and, you know, negasonic Teenage Warhead is disgusting. She's like oh, disgusting. And you know, later on in the movie we have Wade Wilson growing back his hands and he's, you know, he's uh rooming with a blind woman and like there's, there's this scene. The funniest scene in the movie for me is like when he like kind of like grat, like caresses the blind woman's face and she, she goes. I can't even say without laughing, she goes. Is it just me, or are your hands really small?
Speaker 2:because it was the hand that was growing back it was the hand that was growing back.
Speaker 1:I was die laughing dude oh my gosh dude there.
Speaker 2:Oh my, there's so many I think, like was it the hand that he cuts off. Doesn't he like leave a middle finger?
Speaker 1:I don't even remember, uh. So before we, before we discuss, like you know, like before we close out of this discussion, we have to like kind of comment on, like he didn't want his girlfriend to see him the way that he is so and he's so paranoid about that, even after two years of being under like this visage, you know of, just like this cancerous being that like in the final battle he has a cut out of, uh, hugh jackman's face underneath his own deadpool mask, just in case he gets unmasked. I love that it's so good dude.
Speaker 2:I love the. What starts in this movie are the the wolverine and like the hugh jackman jokes and you know it's so perfect.
Speaker 1:It's so perfect because if, if we didn't get this, if we didn't get this, in the next movie would we get a deadpool and wolverine? I don't think so it, it's we.
Speaker 2:It would have had to have been a hugh jackman wolverine for that movie. That to to work out it could not have been anybody else casted as wolverine. I mean I don't know if there's like a potential baton passing in this, but I don't know, man.
Speaker 1:I mean like nobody expected Hugh Jackman to take the role on again, you know, after Logan.
Speaker 2:But I do. I have a feeling that this movie is going to do a lot more, and I know that's probably me just like saying like a duh thing. I know that's probably me, just like saying like a duh thing. But I feel like this movie is just going to do a lot more than just you know, just be like the next Deadpool movie. That's funny.
Speaker 2:We know that it's the first like crossover from the Fox universe to the MCU universe which is huge, which is yeah, which is huge, but I feel like something else is going to be ushered forth out from from within this movie, like this is going to be, like I feel like this is what we're going to like really get a glimpse of the x, the mcu, x-men oh, I would love that I would love that if I, if I were to say anything, I would say that, as far as Wolverine goes, I would prefer to not have Hugh Jackman as the main Wolverine going forward.
Speaker 1:I would want them to recast, I would want them to recast everyone, just because, it's been 20 years. It's been 20 years since these characters were initially cast, 25 almost. By the time there's an action movie, it'll be closer to 30 years that these X-Men characters were cast than not. But I would want new characters to take on the roles and I kind of want this, like you said, to be a baton passing moment. You know, like this is Wolverine passing the baton on to the next generation.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right. I feel like this movie it's, I mean, the last time we got Hugh Jackman. It was supposed to be a closure moment, but maybe this is going to be a true closure moment for Hugh Jackman and Wolverine and I guess, in a way, we kind of we did need it because of, like the Deadpool movies, especially with the second one. But yeah, man, this, this movie was two thumbs up, man. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm I'm lifting up my, my big thumb on my toe, on my right, my right foot. So three thumbs up for me your, your toe thumb my left toe thumb is not having it.
Speaker 1:It's like purposely pointed down, it's like cramping up my entire foot. It's. It's really not a good feeling. But anyway, guys, thank you so much for listening to us here for our 86th episode of project geekology. As always, my name is dakota and I'm joined, as always, with anthony, and you can check out any and all of our socials on our show notes down below. Uh, wherever you're listening to this, please be sure to give us a five star rating on your preferred podcast application so that you know more people just like you even yourself included can get uh more of this pushed towards you so that you can listen to more of us. Uh, ramble on about your favorite comic book movies or whatever it is right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we have a crunchy roll episode on the horizon too, so crunchy yeah, we got we crunchy roll.
Speaker 1:We got death. No, we got um crunchyroll. We got death note. We got um.
Speaker 1:I ran out of stuff to say because we haven't actually planned that far ahead, but I'm gonna make stuff up. We got a star trek voyager episode coming up. We got a second lilo and stitch episode coming up. We got a boba fett after hours coming up. We got, I'm making, I'm making stuff up. Guys, guys, thank you so much for listening to us here. Um, we appreciate every review that you give us and every listen that, uh, you download from whatever podcast application you give us. Thank you so much. We uh hope to see you next time. Next time we're covering a movie that I have not seen before. I think this is a first, is it? Have we ever covered a movie that I have not seen before? I know for you I think your name was the first time that you had ever seen that movie.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, that was the the first time I had seen that movie. I mean, I think that there were a couple of episodes that we covered that both of us like that. It was kind of like new hot, hot off the press that both of us saw that, you know it was kind of new but like nothing that I think that had been out for some for an extended period of time that we're like, oh, this is, this is something new.
Speaker 2:but yeah, no, I'm like I said I'm, I'm all caught up on those, though I have to go back and watch it. I haven't seen Apocalypse in like a long time now.
Speaker 1:X-Men Apocalypse. I have never seen you guys. The only scene that I have seen of X-Men Apocalypse is the Quicksilver scene, believe it or not. So outside of that, I have no idea what we're about to get. So thank you so much. I I can't wait to check that out. Uh, and I will be checking that out, and you will be listening to this. You will be listening to this. You will be listening to this podcast next week. I'm trying to get into your head.
Speaker 2:You know, come on, you'll be there come on, like the audible earwig, you'll be there all right, guys.
Speaker 1:Thank you, have a good one.
Speaker 2:Bye the wolverine, the wolverine.
