Project Geekology
Embark on an epic journey with Anthony and Dakota as they delve into the vast realms of geek culture, from cherished classics to cutting-edge creations. Join us for an exhilarating adventure of exploration and nostalgia, as we unearth hidden gems and reminisce about the moments that have shaped us. Welcome to the ultimate celebration of all things geeky!
Project Geekology
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)
Ever wondered what it's like to traverse the halls of OtakuFest in full cosplay regalia? Anthony here, along with Dakota, are your guides through a weekend of exhilarating geekdom. From the calm before the storm on Friday to the electric buzz of a Saturday crowd and the surprise hustle of Sunday, we wax nostalgic about the festival's evolution and its shiny new venue. Buckle up as we take you on a whirlwind tour of fandom celebrations, reflecting on the quirky thrills of donning a character's mantle and the distinct vibes that each day of the con brings to life.
As Anthony's journey through OtakuFest concludes, he can't help but spill his excitement for the star-studded conventions looming on the horizon. Imagine rubbing elbows with the illustrious Critical Role cast or getting swept up in the strategic planning to catch their live D&D antics—Dakota and I are all in on that action. We then segue to the Critical Role universe's expansion and Beacon's role in serving up bite-sized content for fans. And before you think we've wandered off-topic, we loop in Jenny Nicholson's hilarious critique of the Star Wars hotel, proving that our geeky hearts beat for a galaxy of fandoms.
Capping off our fan-fueled escapades, we plunge into the infamous 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine,' where we dissect its notorious elements, from the contentious Deadpool portrayal to the adrenaline-infused action scenes that are guilty pleasures for so many. We laugh in the face of unfinished movie leaks and marvel at the audacity of bone claws and adamantium bullet-induced amnesia. So, if you're a fan of candid critiques and want to share in our good-natured ribbing of Wolverine's rocky cinematic journey, stay awhile and listen. And hey, if you're feeling the love, why not drop us a review or rate us? Spread the word—Anthony and Dakota's geeky banter waits for no one!
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Welcome to episode 82 of Project Geekology, and this week we are going to be talking about Deadpool, and by Deadpool I mean his first appearance. That is X-Men Origins Wolverine the best movie ever. I lie, I am one half of your host, anthony, and joining me, as always, is the biggest ever fan of X-Men Origins, wolverine Dakota.
Speaker 2:I also lie, but you know there's probably someone else out there who loves this movie and there are things to love about it. We won't give credit where credit is due. It is not received favorably in the public consciousness, at least not the way that these movies are remembered. It's typically rated among the lower ones. But you know what? We're going to give it its fair chance. We're going to talk about what worked, what didn't and what really didn't. And, yeah, we're going to dig into this one. But before any of that, I know, anthony, you have had a crazy weekend, so please tell the world. This is your stage.
Speaker 1:Tell the world what you've been up to dude, I have had such a busy weekend man. I was just up all day and all night just playing persona I didn't see that one coming you hit me.
Speaker 1:you know I had. You know I had to hit. You see that one coming. You hit me. You know I had to hit you with that one. No, no, no. So last episode I did talk about the fact weekends ago, or a weekend ago at this point, by the time that this episode comes out. But yes, I went to Otaku Fest this past weekend as of recording, which is May 23rd, and man, I had a really good time. I haven't gone to a convention since August of last year, so it's kind of like a long time due for me. I haven't really taken much time off, except for maybe a couple of sick days here and there, so I was really just prepared to enjoy a nice long weekend of being a nerd. Yes, I did cosplay this weekend.
Speaker 2:Okay, we got to hear it hold on, but was this? Uh, was itaku, it was a taku fest otaku fest, yeah was it three or four days? It was three days. It was a three-day convention, okay I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1:Not many conventions are four days anymore, like supercon used to be. So supercon is another convention that I'm going to this in in july and that used to be four days.
Speaker 2:Now it's down to three days really, I, I think, I think the comic cons, like the two big ones, are still four-day conventions, if I remember correctly. Actually, you know, san diego might be a five-day convention at this point, but I think they're wondering maybe, maybe megacon in orlando might be four days, I think that's a bigger one.
Speaker 1:I went yeah, that's a bigger one yeah, the last time I went, which was in 2022, I think it was, yeah, I think that was four days. I went in on a thursday and you know, I, I just I love those earlier days of conventions because you really get especially like, uh, if you can get it, if it's a four day, that Thursday is like perfect, because you know people are working yeah, and not everybody, but a lot of like people in the surrounding area that do go, that those they're usually working. So that that's what I did on Friday. Friday was really just getting the lay of the land.
Speaker 1:They moved the convention to a new convention, or they moved the convention to a new venue, not a venue that I haven't been to before. It's the same venue that Supercon is at. But still, every convention they got their own way of going about things. It was interesting to check them out in their new venue. It's been growing year after year. They really outgrew their last venue and, yeah, dude, like last year I went, and that that saturday and I mean you've been to conventions you know saturdays are like that's the, that's the day that everybody shows out that they, they come in their their. You know sunday best.
Speaker 2:you know, as far as cosplay and I actually feel like nowadays, like the past couple conventions that I've been to, sunday has actually been worse and I think well, especially with new york comic-con, I don't think they cap the the number of tickets on sunday.
Speaker 1:I I think because for whatever reason, they probably expect low attendance or I.
Speaker 2:I think they expect people to go in and out. You know, I don't think people to, I don't think they expect people to. You know, stay in the building for long periods of time but they it gets swamped to the point where I'm just like how is this even like a feasible you know number of people in a building like there's definitely some fire codes.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, it's, it's actually insane and I think, I think that's actually what they're doing because, like, what's weird is that thursday through saturday sell out immediately oh, yeah, but sunday never sells out I don't know how that's how that's possible but sunday they leave that one open for the stragglers.
Speaker 1:that didn't make it the first three days In the four months that those tickets are available.
Speaker 2:somehow that day never sells out, anyway keep going.
Speaker 1:It's just as packed, or worse.
Speaker 2:I think it's worse, dude. I honestly truly think it's worse. Go ahead.
Speaker 1:So for me and I know that a lot of con goers do the same thing but you know, for me, like friday, at least on a three-day, at a three-day con, I am going in that first day kind of getting the lay of the land, kind of seeing where everybody's at. Obviously you're not going to see everything that first day but still, you know you, you get the gist of how things are. So on Saturday, so I kind of start to. So on that Friday, I also kind of eyeball some of the stuff that I like that I may want to buy. Saturday, I, you know, if I'm coming in cosplay I'm definitely, you know, going to be out there. You know there's always somebody that wants to take, you know, pictures of. You know I cosplayed as obi-wan, so there were, there were a handful of jedi out there that definitely, you know they wanted to to take pictures and stuff.
Speaker 1:And sunday is really like that's like the biggest. Like you know, I would say not the biggest, but I know that a lot of people hold off their buying until Sunday. Sometimes you can get a good deal from some of the stores, some of the vendors. They come from out of state and if they didn't sell enough stock. It's a little cumbersome to break, you know, break things down, you know just throw up a sale and you know call it a day. But they'd rather get rid of the merch.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right, right, and you're more, you're more likely to get a deal on that day than like the other two days, because you know people are actively buying Friday and Saturday, especially if that's the only days that you're going. But for a lot of other people that are going on on, you know, friday, saturday, sunday, you know some may wait until sunday to buy something that they want. I mean, I bought stuff throughout the weekend but I did make some of like the larger purchases, like you know, maybe on sunday, except for that, except for that canvas that I showed you, the one piece one yeah, that looked, but they had knocked down the price on that one, I was like, okay, yeah, I'll take it.
Speaker 2:You guys might hear my cat Umbra in the background in this video. He's making a comeback, making a comeback to the podcast. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, man, I had a really good time. I got to go to a couple of panels.
Speaker 2:I really enjoyed the my hero academia one. You know they got like do you ever go to? Why then? Yeah, what's going on with the my hero, my hero academia.
Speaker 1:Oh, they had. So there was a bunch of the the voice actors from my hero and they they got together on a panel. You know people ask questions and stuff and you know it was fun and you some, there's some other like side panels. I went with a few friends. I actually saw my brother there too, so that was pretty cool awesome.
Speaker 2:So did you? Were you not like planning to go with your brother? Or he just happened to be going to the same convention that you were?
Speaker 1:he happened to be going to the same convention like he, let me know, kind of like last minute oh, that's cool, all right, cool, cool, cool. He's doing good yeah, yeah, good, good he is. But yeah man, yeah it was, it was action-packed and it was. It was good weekend, man, I it was. It was long overdue for me to take some time off and enjoy some geekery you said you met, or you had the opportunity to meet some voice actors yes or a voice actor no, so so I was able to to meet a few voice actors, actually actually the.
Speaker 1:So I got to meet the voice actor for guy from naruto oh cool rock lee from naruto robin from one piece all english voice actors yes, yes, yes, yeah and uh, I got to to meet freerun also, wow, and a couple of voice actors that were were there that I had met before.
Speaker 1:Like I didn't like really go to meet them, but they were there also. Uh, was it rico for hardo, who does a million, and my hero, and then Zeno I don't know I don't remember his last name, but his name is Zeno and he does the voice of Hawks in my hero, and so, dang man, it was. Yeah, it was a good time man, it was. It was really cool. I love you. You know I love to get out to them conventions man get out to them conventions, man.
Speaker 1:so yeah, you're. You're a fiend for it, and do you have any?
Speaker 2:I am a fiend question. That is my disney world question. This is this is a layup. Do you have any conventions coming up?
Speaker 1:hmm, I don't think so. No, I'm just kidding of course man, I've got super con in july. Man where is super con? It's at the same convention center that otaku fest was at okay, so they're gonna be. They're gonna be taking over the bigger space though, like oh, like you know how convention centers can kind of like section themselves off, yeah, so otaku fest took a little bit of a smaller space, but it was still like bigger than the old venue so supercon will be taking like a much more like big, you know like larger space.
Speaker 2:So okay, cool and um.
Speaker 1:I I hear you've gotten some press badges for supercon yes that's awesome got press pass for for supercon, and I couldn't have done it without y'all. Yes, then you and you too, dakota, because other than that I'd be talking into empty air. I'm sure someone I mean I've done it before, but still it's different it is different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's good to have someone to bounce ideas off of and just to have a conversation, conversations are generally so much more interesting.
Speaker 2:I feel you know, like you can watch a youtube video, which we'll talk about actually today. You can watch it. You can watch a video for four hours, um, and unless you have, like a really good personality, you need someone else to bounce ideas off of you know. So, anyway, that that's cool that you got uh press badges for supercon. I'm excited to hear uh all the shenanigans that uh go into that. Hopefully, like you can get some interviews potentially or, um, you know, insight into certain panels, whatever, I think that'd be cool that would be awesome.
Speaker 1:What was it? Uh, david tenet's gonna be there mr ten all of critical role is gonna be there too.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you know critical role.
Speaker 1:I know critical role, yes, okay yeah, so they're all gonna be there. So that that's gonna be.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty stoked about that are they going to play a session? I would assume I don't know it's a good question I feel like they do.
Speaker 1:I'm 100% going to go there.
Speaker 2:I don't care if I have to sit through three panels before that yeah, yeah, I think I think that's what they do when they're all together at a con. They'll usually have they'll, they'll usually be together for maybe an hour or two long session of dnd. That just continues their game. The issue I have with critical role is like the the amount of work you need to like actually catch up to their story because they have dude.
Speaker 1:It's hundreds of hours of content so that they actually got on to to that. So they actually just launched a new service called beacon. They have their own like app and like their own service and their new. I don't know if they're gonna do it for the past, I don't know if they're gonna do it for the past campaigns, but I know for this, this intro campaign, they actually they're doing an abridged version of all their episodes, so it's going from like a four hour episode to like about an hour hour and a half maybe. So that's a lot more manageable.
Speaker 1:You're really getting the gist of the story. Uh, it really what it cuts out is, you know, like some of the intro stuff. Like you know, like they're they, they have like this whole little intro session with their ad, their advertisement, their advertisements that they'll talk about, and there's some you know. You know how, like I mean, dude, we're part of a podcast. Sometimes you go on tangents and so it'll cut off some of those parts and it just gives you like the straight and narrow some. You know, you still get like really good parts to it, but it, dude, like I mean, I've been, I've been watching through some of the abridged stuff and I'm like, yeah, like it's, it's pretty good you know, some of these x-men movies are rather short, but I kind of wish they were a little bit more abridged, so that would be really nice, um but yeah, man.
Speaker 1:So yeah, just I'm on a con frenzy right now and then, yeah, I've been watching.
Speaker 2:Like I said, you know, the critical, critical role abridged and they actually like uh, I don't know if they have their entire campaign animated, but they have a show I believe it's on amazon prime of their first.
Speaker 1:Yes yes, so, so it's called the legends of vox machina, right, and actually believe it or not. When they started critical role back, and I think it was like 2015, they're actually in the middle of a campaign. So when they actually started to live stream it, they were they were already in the middle of it. So like there's no, I don't think that there's any footage from like the beginning of the set of that campaign it's kind of cool yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:So I would say that that animated show really like fills it in, and I think that they got green lit for their their second campaign. I think that they've got an animated series coming out for that too. The mighty nine that's right.
Speaker 2:I think I've heard that. Yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 1:So I'm actually pretty stoked about that too. I haven't so I've I do believe it or not. I've been following critical role for like the longest time, I think, like from, I think since like the beginning, or like sometime in 2015, 2016, but like the but for a, I just never got down to really watch it. I never was able to sit down and watch it.
Speaker 2:It's long. You like the idea of Critical Role. You wanted to support it in any which way you could, but you didn't actually have the time to devote to it To devote yeah.
Speaker 1:But I do like to sit down and watch some of their stuff. I love their intro stuff, especially when they should be on tonight, actually after we were done recording. But yeah, dude, like I, you know, like I said, I've been watching the abridged stuff. It's a lot more manageable, it's easier to to swallow. So, yeah, man, it's you, you should look into it. They, they have them on youtube, I mean, if you're interested. I mean I don't know if you care to watch D&D, other people watch, other people play D&D, but I mean it's interesting, you know, like you know joke and all that stuff. It's funny. But yeah, man, I mean, enough about me, dude, I've been rambling off like just crazy. What have you been up to, man?
Speaker 2:No, it's okay, that's part of you know. The first half of our podcast is us rambling about what we've been up to, rambling like old people I don't have too much um, this week it's just kind of been like a a hectic week, just you know, with life and work and getting everything situated making plans for the future, stuff like that.
Speaker 2:But I feel that man yeah you, I bet you feel it because you know we're 30 plus now and we got to have plans, which sucks. But anyway, I just want to wing it, man. I just want to wing it, why, why. Biggest thing that's happened to me this week was watching the Jenny Nicholson video on the. It's called the spectacular failure of the star wars hotel oh, that's interesting dude.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you've seen any of her video yet no, I haven't, but like that sounds so interesting.
Speaker 1:But I honestly to tell you the truth, like I knew they were doomed from the start yeah, as soon as they, as soon as they that price point was too high it was.
Speaker 2:It was ridiculous, yeah, so it was too high like dude I am I actually leaving earth? What's crazy is that, like she breaks it down, you know, even like the initial price tag that they gave us wasn't legit.
Speaker 1:Send it to me. Send it to me, like at some point okay, I will send it to you.
Speaker 2:I'll send it to you during the the recording at some point. But it's let me. I just going to preface it, yeah do it. It's four hours long, it's a four-hour breakdown of everything that went wrong in that hotel, and it's amazing, that won't be one sitting. No, no, no, it's taken me all week. After work, I'll get my dinner. I just finished it today. It came out during the weekend and it's blowing up on on uh on YouTube Like and it's it's the current number one trending thing on Twitter.
Speaker 1:Like this whole week. I love videos like that so much.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I love uh like like movie, uh videos, like that defunct land, all that.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like that defunct land, all that. It's kind of like that. And what's what's great about her video is that she actually went. You know, she spent the money to go and she, oh, so she's got the insight she's got the insight, she has all her own footage.
Speaker 2:She got permission to use footage from other channels to like fill in gaps that she didn't necessarily experience and basically, like this was collaborative effort I think it was a little bit yeah, it was mostly her, you know, collecting all the information from other people's vlogs, basically with with her own footage and everything, and it's she goes in, man, it's it's a brutal takedown and like by the end, you're just like, yeah, disney's totally lost their way and this is like the culmination of all their hubris.
Speaker 2:You know like this deserved to fail, because of x, y and z and I'm excited to see that it's so good and, um, it actually like I was trying to put into words why I was never really excited about the star wars hotel, based on like concepts and even like vlogs that were saying it's the best thing that disney's ever done, and I think what it comes down to. I don't know if you've ever have you been to the park since galaxy's edge came out? Yes okay, so you've been to galaxy's edge. You've probably ridden these. Uh, millennium falcon smugglers run I've done that.
Speaker 1:I've done rise of the resistance. Yeah, I've got a couple times actually it fun, it's good time.
Speaker 2:Rise of the Resistance is like leagues better than Smuggler's Run. But, like my biggest issue with Smuggler's Run is that it's less of a ride and more of like an interactive video game and I kind of want to sit back. I don't care about pressing a random button to maximize. You know, maximize whatever potential story I get on screen, which is what you do. You know, like a button will like flash and like engineer, you have to click green and okay, fine, I have to click green.
Speaker 1:You know it's something it sucks like when you're the back seats.
Speaker 2:It really sucks yeah, but at least you're just like. At least I have to press the least amount of buttons. You know like. That's true. Know like.
Speaker 2:I just want to watch the screen and have fun in the shaking automobile, whatever you're in, but that kind of like. That's my cat. He keeps wanting to go in and out of the bedroom. So my wife keeps letting him into the bedroom and then he's just like no, I want to go out of the bedroom but we can't keep the door open because she's watching tv and she has a fan going on in there and you know he's a cat and he doesn't. He doesn't, uh, believe in closed doors.
Speaker 1:So you know, that's just a personal belief of his just get one of those like high, those like doors, with like a large gap at the bottom so you can just like crawl under it we should get him like a cat, like a cat flap.
Speaker 2:There you go although you definitely hear that in the podcast. Um, yeah, anyway it's so with with that ride, uh, smugglers run, I like it but I don't love it. And the reason I don't love it is because I want to just observe and experience a story. I don't want to be necessarily part of a story. I don't want to feel like an actor bringing something to life. I guess, and everything in that hotel is you playing a game on your mobile phone and experiencing this story. That kind of unfolds, if it even works in the first place, which you know that's a big part of her video is like nothing, nothing on, like the mobile game app was working for her right and you know, you know the.
Speaker 1:The insane thing about like that whole experience is that you're spending all that money just to stay like in a building for like what?
Speaker 2:two days it's a two-day experience, yeah, with a, with a eight-hour shore leave. Shortly I'm putting it in quotations shore leave to uh galaxy's edge theme park, basically oh okay, yeah, that's short, uh, shortly yeah, yeah, basically stopping off and basically it allows the actors who you know are there to entertain you on the thing to take a break for eight hours but anyway yeah it's it's, it's a real, it's a nightmare, but her personality is so great in in expressing like why things didn't work and, yeah, anyone who's interested in that, we'll.
Speaker 2:We'll probably leave a link in the show notes, just because it's something that we're talking about and do it, do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's do that super good and it's it's like trending right now, so you've probably already heard it by the time that you know this is coming out, but it's it's by far like the most viewed video on the galactic star cruiser period since it's been up. You know, like it, it's, it's amazing, it's, it's a, it's a true, uh, youtube masterpiece. But anyway, guys, nice, is there anything else? I don't think there's anything else. Have I watched anything? Oh, I don't think I mentioned it, but X-Men 97 finished last week. It is the best thing Marvel Studios has ever done.
Speaker 1:Hands down.
Speaker 2:I think so. It is the highest reviewed thing. It is like 75-something reviews on Rotten Tomatoes 100% wow, yeah it's.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of, a lot of care and work was put into that. Dude I, I want to hop onto that, onto that train. I have seen some glimpses of it and it looks good man yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:What's great about is I don't think you need to necessarily have, you know, caught up with the original series, like the original five seasons of the show. They, they do a good job within the first episode, catching you up to speed about like who, every, who, everyone is, what the current state of mutant kind is, you know where professor x is, etc. Etc. So nice anyway. Um, yeah, shall we you know? While we've transitioned into our x-men discussion, shall we talk about the origin of one of the x-men?
Speaker 2:one of the most popular one of the most popular, you know, marvel characters in general in general yeah, so Wolverine the Wolverine is old guys. Did you know that Wolverine is like over 130 something years old, probably 140 years old at this point, who knows? Who knows how old that kid was that man fought so many wars.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what. When I was, you know, the first 30 ish minutes of this movie, I was just just like you know it's a little bit clunky, but I kind of liked the story. You know, I was thinking like when am I going to dislike this movie? And then, like I realized I don't remember exactly where it was, but like something happened and I was just like man, I've lost all interest in this, I don't know what's going on, but yeah, so the beginning is actually kind of a fun intro. You know, I I think it's a really cool way to introduce both wolverine and saber-tooth right and they made some changes.
Speaker 2:Yes, some pretty notable changes.
Speaker 2:Uh, with right saber-tooth, specifically right by making them, by making wolverine and saber tooth brothers yeah, so early on in the film, it's like the 1870s or 80s, something like that, a long time ago, wolverine, uh, is, you know, sick in a bed somewhere, and you know, like there's some family struggle. That was a little confusing to understand, you know, because there was, there was like seven or eight people, and you know, one of them was his father, one of them was maybe his mother, but then someone was definitely his father, the person that he killed. You know, this is all within the first minute and it's a really, it's a really. I like the way that they introduced it, you know, and they expressed oh, this character has been around forever. But I was a little confused about why I needed to care if that makes sense, I don't know because, like we couldn't, we couldn't tell who was the abuser in this situation. We couldn't tell who was lying or truthful until it was too late, you know.
Speaker 1:So it was just like what's going's going on, yeah, and you kind of get it.
Speaker 2:You're just like context clues, you're just kind of forced to. Okay, so I'm supposed to believe he killed his father because his father, I don't know wasn't around or was suddenly very abusive, or just suddenly really wanted wolverine to know that he was his father, randomly, um well, I guess, like he was thinking that he was coming in to cause harm to his family, so he like kind of fought him and killed him.
Speaker 1:But I I think that that was just like you know, because Wolverine has like that animalistic nature, so it was more of an instinct than like a thought that he did that. I do like that we get like a pre-adamantium wolverine, really cool with the bones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the bone claws were really cool. I think they did that really well. Um, and even the part where uh later in the film, saber tooth like steps on the bone claws and snaps them. You feel it like it's.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, like like it, like it's. You know it's painful, like big. You know I I've never broken a bone, but I've heard that it's super. Like you know it's. It's dude, it's painful I've broken.
Speaker 2:I've broken my wrist twice. Uh and yeah it is uh, it's not something I you know, recommend trying and so you probably just fractured it. No, I've broken it. Well, okay, so there's fractions. Am I saying that right? Fractures, there's fractures.
Speaker 1:There's half.
Speaker 2:There's half and then there's whole. I was like, wait, fractions is the wrong word uh, yeah, no, I've I've fractured. I've fractured bones before, but I've actually broken bones you know where, like it comes apart with the nail okay, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But like you know, when he steps on, it's a clean break oh yeah, it's a break off, but still like dude, like I mean you know that it's gonna heal, but still yeah, it's not a pleasant thing, but um I mean he does say it hurts whenever his claws come out, like every time he did say that in the first one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, which was a. That's a really good scene in the first movie. But so, going back to the beginning, they, you know, like wolverine kills his father, they run away. They're being chased by, I don't even remember, but saber tooth, his brother, is just like yo, we're brothers, we gotta do this together forever. And then they do it forever, but not really forever, they do it for like a hundred years. You know, like they just, you know, go on a rampage. Um, you know, starting with the american civil war, I mean, at some point they left canada because that's where the film opened, and they decided to become american for a little bit and they fought with america for the american civil war.
Speaker 2:They did it for world war one, world war two, vietnam, and it was like during this I think it was during world war ii um wolverine started to see that saber tooth was getting too much joy from killing and hurting others oh, I think that.
Speaker 1:Wait, was it world war ii or was it in vietnam?
Speaker 2:so it was. It started in World War II where he stormed one of those Nazi bunkers and he's just going at it with a rifle and just gunning people down in there and you could see Wolverine kind of looking at his brother like this, doesn't feel right, but they're Nazis, so might as well. But then in Vietnam he has gone too far. At that point you know he's taking young girls uh, to, you know potentially do terrible things to them, um, and then you know, when one of the soldiers stops him, he starts, you know, actively attacking his own men just because he likes violence, right, and that's when wolverine has uh, basically you know enough of him.
Speaker 1:And then they're hired by william striker randomly right because, like they, faced a firing squad and lived to tell the tale, they yes, they, I.
Speaker 2:I like that, though I it's. It's cheesy enough at this point in the movie where I'm still on board with the story, just like, okay, I can kind of see how. This is how Wolverine and Stryker kind of first got into contact with one another. Alright, and this is the Stryker in X-Men 2 that was using his own son to manipulate the professor and also was the one who put the adamantium claws, and you know this skeleton within wolverine himself. So you're just like, huh, okay, maybe he's not such a bad guy. I'm, I'm, I'm seeing the other side of the story, uh, but nope, no, he's a bad guy.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, absolutely, and we get some. You know they join this squad and we get some interesting characters. You know we get William.
Speaker 2:William with, like a typical William hat. I'm just like what?
Speaker 1:Yes, dude, I was like this is like. This is like peak will. I am right here I I like it was during that time. You know, like the, the black eyed peas were still, like you know yeah, they were bumping and and yeah, it was, it was so. It was so fun to see him in this movie and, yeah, this is where we get a first taste of of your boy, ryan reynolds, as deadpool, and hold on, hold on.
Speaker 2:I don't. I don't think we were finished with the will. I am discussion at this point because we're not okay.
Speaker 1:Why why?
Speaker 2:could they not pry that hat off of his head? Like what, what happens in? Like the contract? Like no, no, I gotta, I gotta wear this hat. I gotta wear this hat, hey hey, gotta wear this hat.
Speaker 1:Hey, you know, dude. Well, I am man, you know, he's got style and he's like I'm not gonna, I'm not going to, you know, stop my style, even for a movie that okay, yeah, you know what Checks out.
Speaker 2:Checks out. You brought up Ryan Reynolds, wade Wilson. They introduced the character of that would eventually become Deadpool, through this version of the character, which did have some similarities in personality to the character that we know in the Deadpool movies Not as crass, but if this were a rated R movie, I could see him being a little, not as crass, but, you know, if this were a rated r movie, I could see him, you know right, being a little bit more crass. Um, also, he was very quippy and witty and everyone was complaining about how he doesn't shut his mouth, which is a very deadpool thing. You know, at some point in the movie I don't even know how we got to this point Like there's so much that happens, like there's some good ideas in here, there's some good ideas, but then there's like stuff that happens in this and I'm just like where did they come up with this?
Speaker 1:Like how could they come up with this? It doesn't make any sense. Wait, wait. Are we still on wait? Or I mean we also have Maybe I don't know Like pre-Blob.
Speaker 2:Keep going. Yeah, we got pre-Blob and post-Blob. Yeah, before the Blobination he was one of Stryker's crew and there's a couple of guys in the crew that I just don't even know. There's so many obscure X-Men and mutant characters that you just can't keep track of them all. I don't remember if William is an actual teleporting character or they just made it up for this role. I don't know if Zero, the bullseye kind of guy, had any Marvel character. This is all very easily Google googleable, but I was just like I don't even care.
Speaker 2:I was watching this and I was losing interest on this spot reading this episode right now I'm not. I'm not because I don't think I would watch this movie again if it weren't for this lead up to deadpool and Wolverine.
Speaker 1:that's coming out in a little over a month but, by the way, I have tickets to that, so I'm excited for that yet, but I definitely want to go see it and I'm going to definitely go see it in IMAX, like that's, like that's non-negotiable for me. So I I would say, like I agree with you, like I probably wouldn't have sat down to watch this movie if it weren't for this. But at the end of the day, like, while this movie might not be the best movie, it was still fun to watch in some points.
Speaker 2:Sure, yeah, absolutely. There's definitely like some you know, over-the-top action. That's pretty fun. Like I said, like the introduction, like seeing them throughout all the wars, was kind of cool. You know, like I don't think like most movies don't don't have actually like ever attempt anything like that, so I thought that that was kind of cool. Like what, what do? What do immortal people do?
Speaker 1:um, you know, when they're savage beings like wolverine and saber-tooth, they, they find themselves in wars and then, like you know, you also, and it also makes me kind of think, like you know, even some of the mcus like, even like some of their like really bad movies are like not fun to watch, you know, and like this is not that good of a film, but it was secret, secret, uh, secret invasion was that?
Speaker 2:for me it's the, the the marvel show. It was just like it wasn't very good and it wasn't very intelligent either, like it was. You know how like spy stuff is usually kind of like worth it right, it pays off in the end. There's some surprise or something like that there was nothing no, no, you could you know from the first two episodes. Yeah, you, from the first two episodes, you can guess the entirety of the rest of the show Like there was no surprises. But anyway, let's not get off on tangents again.
Speaker 1:Come on, anthony. You know I am there for the ride of the tangent.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's stick with Wade Wilson at this point.
Speaker 1:The pre-Deadpool.
Speaker 2:And how his character develops. Oof, I kind of have to like know most of you have not seen this movie in a long time or at all, if you've seen it at all if you've seen it at all, because everyone knows this is bottom of the bottom of the barrel.
Speaker 1:When it comes to x-men movies, some people just which is a pretty which is a pretty deep barrel.
Speaker 2:Let's be honest um, as far as like fox, like marvel, yeah, yeah so let me try to explain what happens in like a really 30 seconds to one minute pitch, because I need to kind of encompass all this together. All right, wolverine leaves strikers crew. Seven years later I think it was six or seven years later he's living out in the canada, rocky's doing his own thing with a girl and lumberjack lumberjack, in a way has no cares in the world. Striker comes just like hey, saber tooth is, uh, potentially killing all these. He doesn't even say that it was saber tooth, but he's just like hey, these guys have been disappearing and I wonder if it's saber tooth or something like that. And then the very next day his, his girl quote unquote dies, bringing him back into this whole mix of you know finding saber tooth, figuring out what's going on.
Speaker 2:And it turns out that striker was, you know, behind the scenes. The whole time he's been killing random mutants all over the world trying to siphon up their dna so that he can put it in the pool. And when he said the pool, I forgot, like I forgot that that was a line in this movie and I was just like oh, that's why this is so bad. And it turns out the pool was actually Deadpool and you know, they brought back the supposedly dead Ryan Reynolds character, wade Wilson, as not a merc with a mouth, not anything resembling his costume, but they, they like, sewed his mouth shut, which was some sort of joke, I think. Because they, they made a joke, like, seems I guess they finally got your mouth to shut, or something like that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I think wolverine said that. Actually, I think so yeah, and it.
Speaker 2:It turns out basically like he all, he has the powers of all of these random people all of a sudden, right oh yeah, um, so uh, was it.
Speaker 1:We got your boy mary in here too. He's got like some I don't know, like this ability to control electricity or like electrical circuits or whatever, like lights and stuff Like lights. But then he can control, like he could fly ships too with it.
Speaker 2:His, his, uh, the upper limits of, like his. I guess it's called technopathy.
Speaker 1:I guess that would probably be what it is. Yeah, I think that's what it is, yeah.
Speaker 2:Uh, isn't really explored, but anyway he can. He can turn a lot of light bulbs on um and maneuver a lot of energy, because at some point he was, uh, basically like lighting up a whole carnival, I think. I think that was what he did, or maybe, you know, like the impact of his death caused like a little short EMP. I don't know, I have no idea how his powers work, but, yeah, I think that's what his powers are, his technopathy. The Deadpool man. What an interesting. Oh, there is a little hint at his costume. Right before he uses Scott Summers' concussive blast power with his eyes, the outlines of his eyes kind of get that diamond shape that is notable in his costume. It kind of gets burned into his skin for some reason. It's not explained, obviously, but it's some hints at a potential. My dog is going ham in the water bowl right now.
Speaker 1:Luna, I can hear that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I promise you. It's not like it's not me lapping water, it's my dog. Enough, girl, I'm going to throw up. Anyway, between my cat and my dog, this place is becoming a zoo.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. Oh, I don't know if you remember that I said I had like a funny story about this movie.
Speaker 2:You might have mentioned it.
Speaker 1:So this movie, like back when it when was it 2008, 2009 that it came out? I think it was 2009. 2009. Okay, so, in the year of 2009,. This movie actually got leaked, Like the whole movie got leaked. And Wait, when did it? How did it get leaked? I don't know how it was, but this movie got leaked Like the whole movie got leaked.
Speaker 2:Was it during that whole thing with the North Korea. So there was a couple movies that got leaked when right around the time uh, the james franco movie.
Speaker 1:I think oh no, no, no, no, that movie came out in 2014 okay, yeah, okay, sorry, I'm mixing stuff up so so, yeah, no, this movie got leaked and like the whole movie got leaked but unfinished.
Speaker 1:And so I like, oh, that is right, I forgot about that. And I watched like a huge chunk of it like this, and it was hilarious, dude. It was so funny. Like there are scenes where you could see wires there were unfinished. There were like moments where where, yeah, like it was like was gray scale polygons going on, and when you got to the last part with Deadpool when he dies or something like that, and the beam takes down the building, that part was unfinished and it looks so funny, dude. Yeah, man, I got to see like a this, this, this movie, like unfinished, and it's interesting because you, it kind of gives you a little bit of insight into the process, right, and so I mean I got to experience that with with into the spider verse, the first one when I went to go see, when I went to new york Con with you. So like this was kind of like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got to see like 30 minutes of that, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think there was some stuff that wasn't animated.
Speaker 1:Right, right, there's some stuff that was unfinished, but yeah, like there were things that weren't, some things that were animated, some things that like there was like moments that his claws are supposed to come out. There's nothing there.
Speaker 2:There his like claws are supposed to come out and there was nothing there. There there were moments in that, in like this film, that felt unfinished, um, like when he's in the bathroom and he's looking at his claws and it's the worst cgi claws of all time I was.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about that. I was like I was like dude, those like claws aren't?
Speaker 2:they don't look good and then, like that, he like lightly touches them and there's sparks on, just like and it's the worst CGI I've seen in a long time and it looked better in the previous X-Men movies.
Speaker 1:And I was thinking that same thing. I was like dude, how is it that his claws in the first one look way better than in here? It was bizarre.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I've always wanted to know how, because, like you saw, like how his bone claws were yeah like. How did the adamantium situate perfectly into knives?
Speaker 1:the world might never know the world is the rest of his skeleton knives like like I just I was like I never understood, I was like dude, I said those are too perfect, like they're like. I mean like there's more um imperfections than like a regular knife in the drawer, than like his like claws, you know but also like let's, let's just talk about, like striker's plan for a second, let's make this character indestructible.
Speaker 2:He says that several times, I'll give you the power to take down saber tooth by making you indestructible. And then you know, something goes wrong with his plan, because you know he decided that the, the man he decided to make indestructible, also needed to lose his memory, which wolverine didn't like. He got pissed, he left the thing. And then he tells one of his uh, you know, henchmen, take his head off. How do you take the head off of an indestructible man?
Speaker 2:right like what was, what was his goal? How do you expect any of this to happen? And then also my favorite part, my favorite part, and I was just like how, how does he know that? How, how, how did that? How could he know? So, after his plan fails, or no, no, no. In like, when they realize like he's going to be hard to kill, they pull out adamantium bullets. They pull out adamantium bullets and they're like this is the only thing that can take him down. And then later in the movie they pull out the same bullets and and you know, striker's just like, you know that's not gonna kill him, but like why did, why did you say that would kill him 30, 30 minutes ago? Like, why did you pull it out? And then he's just like. He's like it's not gonna kill him, but it's gonna remove his memories. And I'm like how the heck do you know that it's gonna remove his memories? What do these, what, what property do these bullets have that's gonna erase his memories?
Speaker 1:and it worked powers into it it worked.
Speaker 2:How I was flabbergasted, dude I, you know there's. There's not a lot of. You don't see that a lot in movies these days. It's just like nonsense, you know, usually usually there's some redeem. You know there's some work around. You know, like some some techno babble that kind of explains like oh you know it just is in this movie it just everything, everything just is, oh my gosh oh, um, we also didn't even talk about that.
Speaker 2:We got gambit in this movie and you know what, it was kind of cool, you know, like he was one of the cooler moments in this movie yeah, I did, I did like the gambit.
Speaker 1:I. I think that they I think that they got him down pretty good, portrayal wise, like what the the scene that I was like, uh, they really nailed it is.
Speaker 2:He's not just a card wielding guy, you know, like he is capable of touching something and exploding the object right right, right, right, right yeah so when that um, you know that nuclear silo was falling, uh, on wolverine, he used his staff to touch it and it basically crumbled before it hit the grounds, which saved everyone's lives maybe not the indestructible man, but you know, anyway, I I do think that the way that they used his powers and staff and kind of gave him a slightly cajun accent, I think that that was really cool what I didn't like about gambit.
Speaker 2:There was some really stupid things too. They started getting out of fight. You know like he wolverine's asking about the island that striker uh has, and you know how he wants to take down saber tooth and striker and I guess gambit doesn't really believe him or whatever. So he starts fighting wolverine. They send he sends wolverine into the alleyway and wolverine confronts saber tooth, who's just there like he happens to just be there he just happens to be there and and, and you know they're.
Speaker 2:They're like in in each other's faces, they're fighting. And then gambit, oh hey, he was like wolverine must have been telling the truth. He really is trying to kill saber tooth. No, he doesn't think, he doesn't do anything like that, he just he gets in between the fight and starts fighting wolverine anyway, even though wolverine is fighting the guy that he hates. I'm so, I was so confused by this dude and then, like after after the fight, he was just like you know what? You're right, we should go to the island. I'm gonna escort you.
Speaker 2:It's, it's a it's it's a bad movie. It's. There's some fun parts, um, I, I do like the quiet life of wolverine and you know seeing him happy, briefly I guess, and kind of getting more of the backstory of like why he has adamantium in him. But there's so many. It adds so many more questions and it introduces saber tooth as a brother character, which doesn't really jive with the original trilogy of films, where he's only in the first one, um, right, and he attacks wolverine, but like there's no real right, yeah there's a connection between the two right, I mean no, yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I think he just really, they really he was going for Rogue.
Speaker 2:in the first movie he was trying to capture Rogue. So in the first movie they thought he was after Wolverine.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:Charles was just like what do they want from you? My friend, blah, blah blah. But then it turned out they were trying to capture rogue because her specific abilities would allow her to blow. You know, I don't know right, yeah, yeah, yeah, we covered that so saber tooth had no saber tooth, you know, presumably has not had his memory erased, I think, if I remember correctly, um, unless he got some adamantium bullets to the head as well, which I didn't see.
Speaker 1:Uh right, I mean like that probably would have killed him though yeah, he wouldn't have survived what? What did you think? Uh, about lee shriver as saber tooth, because I mean, you know, they swapped up the the actor from like the first one to this one.
Speaker 2:I think he did a great job. I think he did too, yeah. He has that vibe. I like that role with him, yeah.
Speaker 1:He has that Sabretooth vibe and that animalistic kind of violent behavior. He did really well, just violent behavior like he. He really like took. He did really well. I kind of I kind of wish that that we had him in like the the regular trilogy, but like not as a brother, you know I I kind of wish we had more of him in general and, if I remember correctly, I don't think they ever bring him back no, they don't bring him back.
Speaker 1:They don't bring back Toad, which we actually didn't even mention. That was Ray Park.
Speaker 2:We didn't mention that. I feel like we did.
Speaker 1:If we did. We're mentioning it now, several episodes later.
Speaker 2:Darth Maul, himself Mr Maul, and he actually in that first movie he does like a little lightsaber twirl with he does with like a little staff. Yeah, I I have a feeling that that's a like a easter egg for you know fans in the know, because that was like a huge role for him prior to x-men. But anyway, x-men, origins, wolverine, uh, so far is the worst of the four movies that we've reviewed in you know the lead up to there might be worse ones.
Speaker 2:You know, I, I, like I mentioned in the last video, I, or as we, as I mentioned in the last podcast, I still have yet to see x-men apocalypse, which I don't think is this bad. I have not seen x-men dark phoenix, which I've heard is pretty bottom tier, and I have yet to see New Mutants which I've seen them.
Speaker 1:I've seen them all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at a certain point I kind of checked out. Although X-Men Days of Future Past was solid, like that is, I'm excited when we finally get to that one, I'm really excited.
Speaker 1:So yeah, this movie was a jumbled mess, all right, so I mean we're we're pretty much like towards the end of the podcast. What are your final thoughts?
Speaker 2:um, don't trust thoughts basically, especially not canadian thoughts, who have the ability to, uh, you know, manipulate emotions even though they claim they're not. Don't trust thoughts, especially not thoughts who's who's like sister has, you know, diamond skin. We don't need any of those thoughts in our lives. Um, no, I'm kidding, uh, I, I, I kind of did like the love story a little bit, you know, I wanted it to work out but ultimately, like I knew it wasn't going to and I knew, like I forgot, that she like was secretly siding with Stryker the whole time. Sorry, I just brought up a whole other character in my you know my final thoughts, but my final thoughts are don't trust thoughts.
Speaker 1:Don't trust thoughts, don't trust anyone in these movies. Uh, yeah, no, no, I I agree that this movie was definitely I. I kind of felt the same way at the beginning, like, oh you know this, I don't, I don't know why, I remember hating, you know well, not hating, but just not liking this so much. And then, yeah, you just hit that certain point where you're like, okay, almost like man of steel, like it starts off strong and then it loses you along the way. But at the end of the day it was still fun to watch in some part, and some parts, like even no matter how zany it got, it was still entertaining.
Speaker 2:And this was still connected to the original timeline of the original trilogy.
Speaker 2:There are some retcons like with Sabretooth, but this is still part of that universe, of that first trilogy of films. Yeah, the next film that we're going to be covering, I'm assuming next week, we're going to continue with our X-Men coverage, right, yuff, all right. Next film, we actually do enter a new timeline, parallel timeline, alternate timeline of the X-Men films. With X-Men First Class it's generally considered among the better films in the trilogy or not trilogy but series, generally considered among the better films in the trilogy or not trilogy but series. And I'm really excited to dive back into, you know, the that era of x-men films, because I feel like they get better.
Speaker 1:I feel like I haven't. I haven't seen those ones as much as I saw that initial trilogy at least the first two of the initial trilogy.
Speaker 2:I've seen like a lot more than I've seen, because we grew up with them. I think yeah. So I'm excited to dive into first class next week.
Speaker 1:Guys, first class already first your class if you're not first, you're last. Um all right, bobby shake and bake guys.
Speaker 2:Talk to you next time oh, wait, wait wait, we haven't even done our outro guys if you, if you are at all interested in checking out our socials.
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